Transformation/change of variables in this differential equation?

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The discussion revolves around transforming a partial differential equation with specific initial and boundary conditions into a new variable framework. The original equation is given as ut - k uxx = x + 2t, with boundary conditions u(1,t) = u(7,t) = 0 and initial values u(x,0) = x + 5. The goal is to express this in terms of the variable w, defined as w = x - 1, over the interval [0, 6].

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  • Participants explore the implications of changing variables from x to w and how this affects the boundary and initial conditions. There is confusion regarding the transformation of the initial condition u(x,0) = x + 5 to u(w,0) and whether it correctly translates to w + 5 or another expression. Some participants question the logic behind the transformation and the resulting expressions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their transformations and seeking clarification on specific steps. There are multiple interpretations being explored regarding the transformation of the initial condition, and some participants are attempting to derive the correct form through different reasoning.

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Participants note that no prior knowledge of partial differential equations is necessary, suggesting that a solid understanding of multivariable calculus and change of variables should suffice. There is an acknowledgment of potential conceptual flaws in understanding the function and change of variables.

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Transformation/change of variables in this differential equation!?

Maybe my background is just weak...I was thinking about this for almost 1.5 hours already, but I still end up totally confused. Perhaps this is because I was never able to understand the ideas of a function and change of variables completely...perhaps I have a serious conceptual flaw.

Homework Statement


Consider the following partial differential equation with initial values(IV) and boundary conditions(BC):
ut - k uxx = x + 2t, 1<x<7, t>0
BC: u(1,t) = u(7,t) = 0
IV: u(x,0) = x+5
Our goal is to transform the above to the interval [0,6].
Let w = x-1.
Transform the whole problem to the interval w E [0,6]. (write in terms of w)

2. Homework Equations /concepts
No knowledge of partial differential equation is needed. Anyone with a solid background in mutlivariable calculus and change of variables should be able to answer this question. (I think)

The Attempt at a Solution


ux=uw dw/dx = (uw) (1) = uw
uxx = ...(apply chain rule again) = uww
[On the left side, think of u as u(x,t). On the right side, think of u as u(w,t)]

BC:
x=1 <=> w=0
x=7 <=> w=6
So the boundary conditions get transformed to u(0,t)=u(6,t)=0 [here think of u as u(w,t)]

IV:
We know u(x,0) = x+5
=> u(w,0) = w+5
[I believe the logic in this step cannot be wrong, consider e.g. f(4z)=cos(4z), now how do we find f(4z-y)? Of course, f(4z-y)=cos(4z-y). How do we find f(z)? Surely, f(z)=cos(z). Right??]

So my final answer is: [here think of u as u(w,t)]
ut - k uww = w+1+2t, 0<w<6, t>0
BC: u(0,t) = u(6,t) = 0
IV: u(w,0) = w+5

However, I really have some bad feeling that the result u(w,0) = w+5 is wrong, but I don't know where the mistake is.
I tried to calculate it in a different way and the answer is the same.
u(w,0)
= u(x-1,0) = (x-1)+5
=> u(w,0) = w+5

Can someone please kindly explain why and where my mistake is? What is the correct answer?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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Can somebody please help?? I know it's suuposed to be simple, but I can't figure it out...

In short, my problem is the following:
Suppose u(x,0) = x+5.
Let w = x-1.
Does it imply that u(w,0) = w+5?

Could someone please answer this?
 


I haven't had a chance to read the top bit but say you have u(x,t) such that
u(x,0) = x+5

and you want to subsitute
w = x-1
then
x = w+1

so I would substitute in
u(w=x+1,0) = (w+1)+5 = w+6
 


will try & have a better look tonight
 


Maybe it's u(w,0) = x+6. But can you please tell me where my mistake is? Also, HOW did you get u(w,0) = x+6? You said w=x+1, but I think we're supposed to have w=x-1?

We know u(x,0) = x+5
=> u(w,0) = w+5 ?
I believe the logic in this step cannot be wrong, consider e.g. f(4z)=cos(4z), now how do we find f(4z-y)? Of course, f(4z-y)=cos(4z-y). How do we find f(z)? Surely, f(z)=cos(z). Right??


u(w,0)
= u(x-1,0) = (x-1)+5
=> u(w,0) = w+5 ?
 


kingwinner said:

Homework Statement


Consider the following partial differential equation with initial values(IV) and boundary conditions(BC):
ut - k uxx = x + 2t, 1<x<7, t>0
BC: u(1,t) = u(7,t) = 0
IV: u(x,0) = x+5
Our goal is to transform the above to the interval [0,6].
Let w = x-1.
Transform the whole problem to the interval w E [0,6]. (write in terms of w)
ok so how about we try and recude the variable confusion, by introducing another function f(w,t) defined by
[tex] f(w,t) = u(x(w),t)[/tex]


so the variable change is
[tex]w(x) = x-1[/tex]
and re-arranging in case we need it later
[tex]x(w) = 1+w[/tex]
also differentiating gives
[tex]\frac{dx}{dw} = 1[/tex]

then, chain rule differentiation gives
[tex]f_{ww} = u_{xx}[/tex]
[tex]f_{t} = u_{t}[/tex]

so the differential equation becomes
[tex]f_t- kf_{ww} = x(w) -2t = 1+w-2t[/tex]

the boundary & initial conditions becomes
[tex]f(0,t) = f(6,t) = 0[/tex]
and
[tex]f(w,0) = u(x(w),0) = x(w) + 5 = w+6[/tex]
 
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