Transformer Efficiency Problems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of a special transformer compared to an ordinary transformer, focusing on the discrepancies in expected and actual performance metrics such as input complex power and efficiency. Participants explore the implications of these results in the context of transformer design and operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • BlackMelon presents test results indicating that the special transformer has lower efficiency than expected, prompting questions about the cause of this discrepancy.
  • One participant suggests that the difference between input complex power (Sin) and input power (Pin) may relate to a misunderstanding of the distinction between volt-amperes and watts.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of transformer design and suggests that the provided link may offer useful formulas and tables for performance calculations.
  • A different participant notes that the current source should account for both real and reactive power, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the experimental setup of the special transformer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the test results and the underlying principles of transformer operation. There is no consensus on the cause of the efficiency issues presented by BlackMelon.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on definitions such as volt-amperes versus watts, and the roles of core loss resistance and reactive power in transformer performance. The discussion does not resolve these technical nuances.

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Individuals interested in transformer design, electrical engineering students, and professionals working with electrical systems may find this discussion relevant.

BlackMelon
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Hello,

My friend designs a special transformer, believing that its efficiency will rise and voltage regulation will fall compared to an ordinary one . He did a test with the same resistive load and got results below:

T1(ordinary) Vp=220V 50Hz AC Vs(nl) = 99.8V Vs(fl) = 92.8V Pin = 129W Pout =92.8W
T2(special) Vp=220V 50Hz AC Vs(nl) = 99.8V Vs(fl) = 96.7V Pin = 130W Pout = 96.7W

where:
Vp: Primary voltage
Vs: Secondary voltage
Pin: Input power from a 220V source. (household outlet)
Pout: Output power at a load
All voltages are in RMS

He expected that the input complex power(Sin) of the special transformer should be 100VA with an efficiency of 90%.
However, the Sin is actually 130VA and the efficiency is about 74.38%. What is the cause of this event?

Thank you
BlackMelon
 
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BlackMelon said:
What is the cause of this event?
A question well stated is half answered.
You're asking us to guess .
Okay -
Excerpting from your post -
BlackMelon said:
He expected that the input complex power(Sin) of the special transformer should be 100VA...
Pin = 130W... However, the Sin is actually 130VA
Sin and Pin should differ by magnetizing VA. So,
My guess is somebody doesn't know the difference between a volt-amp and a watt.

I cannot can figure out your riddle from what you've given us.
 
Hardy, I agree with you. The current source should supply core loss resistance with a real power, magnetizing inductance with a reactive power, and a leakage inductance with a reactive power also. I mean even without a resistive load, there should be both real and reactive.

The experiment of my friend is strange. The 130VA of a voltage source is purely from a wattage. I ask him twice before posting this.

Also,Neumaier, thank you for the information. I will tell my friend to read this carefully.
 

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