Transformers and Active/Reactive power question from HW

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a transformer and the calculation of active, reactive, and apparent power. Participants explore the relationships between voltage, current, and power in the context of an ideal step-up transformer operating at a specified frequency and load.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations for secondary voltage, current, primary current, input impedance, and power values, expressing confusion about the active and reactive power results.
  • Another participant suggests using complex power representations to calculate active and reactive power, arriving at different values than those presented by the original poster.
  • Some participants assert that the power equation does not involve a factor of 2, while others reference the power triangle to clarify their calculations.
  • One participant claims to have resolved their confusion by correctly applying the power triangle relationships, leading to values consistent with those found in the textbook.
  • There is mention of a misunderstanding regarding the use of sine and tangent functions in the context of calculating reactive power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations of active and reactive power, with some supporting the textbook answers while others provide alternative calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the discrepancies in power values and the correct application of formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings related to the application of power equations, particularly concerning the use of complex numbers and the power triangle. There are references to specific angles and trigonometric functions that may influence the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 7200-240 V, 60 Hz transformer is connected for step up operation, and a 144∠46° Ω Load is connected to the secondary. Assume the transformer is ideal and the input voltage is 220 V at 60 Hz.
Determine
a)secondary voltage
b)secondary current
c)primary current
d)input impedance
e)1)active
2)reactive
3)apparent power input to the transformer

Homework Equations


since its operating as "Step Up" transformer...the turns ratio aka "a' = 30

240-7200
1:30 step up

The Attempt at a Solution


a)secondary voltage =220*30= 6600 V∠0°
b)secondary current = 6000V/144Ω ∠46°= 45.8333 A∠-46°
c)primary current= a x I sec = 45.83333 * 30 = 1375 A∠-46°
d)Z input= 220 V / 1375A = 0.16∠46°Ω

Active / reactive and apparent Power
are all listed as answers in the back of the book
I am having trouble keeping these numbers straight in my head! Please help me understand my errors on this problem...

210.1 kW =active power is my true power
217.6 kVAR = Is my reactive power
302.5 kVA 1375*220 = 302500 /1000(for the K) = 302.5 kVA

Can you kindly show me what I am forgetting about active and reactive power guys?

Thanks Joe
 
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One-cycle-averaged power is conveniently calculated by using complex representations of voltage and current such as \tilde S = \frac{{\tilde V{{\tilde I}^*}}}{2} = P + iQ, where P and Q are an active and reactive power respectively, and absolute value of S is an apparent power.

Here, I choose that V and I are for the secondary side of the transformer so, \tilde V = 6600{e^{i0}} = 6600,{\rm{ }}\tilde I = 45.8333{e^{i\left( { - {{46}^ \circ }} \right)}}

Calculation shows that P ≅ 105 kW, Q ≅ 109 kW, and the apparent power is 151 kW.

Your values for powers are twice than what I calculated. I guess you missed a factor of 1/2 somehow.
 
210.1 kW
217.6 kVAR

These are the answers from the book
 
Since you are dealing with effective or rms voltages, the power equation is:

S = V * I' = P + j Q

I' should be I-conjugate

There is no factor of 2 involved.
 
GUYS, I figured it out...My problem was that once I solved for "S"..and I had the angle @ 46°...then I can solve for active and reactive power
Power triangle means
s=302.5 theta=46°
Active=210.13 =302.5cos 46°
Reactive=217.34 =210.13tan 46

Answer
 
JoeMarsh2017 said:
Reactive=217.34 =210.13tan **sin** 46
 
210.13 tan 46 gets you 217.59 which is what I was looking for..

Answers from the book are
210.1 kW Active Power
217.6 kVAR Reactive Power

This is per the power triangle
 
JoeMarsh2017 said:
210.13 tan 46 gets you 217.59 which is what I was looking for..

Answers from the book are
210.1 kW Active Power
217.6 kVAR Reactive Power

This is per the power triangle
Oh..Right!
You took Q=PtanΦ and I misread it as Q=StanΦ.
Q=S*sinΦ=P*tanΦ..
 

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