Transmission time for sending JPEG still image

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a digital modem intended to transmit audio, data, and images, specifically focusing on the transmission time for JPEG images and the implications of modulation schemes and signal-to-noise ratios (SNR) in the design process. Participants explore the relationship between transmission time, modulation schemes, and symbol rates, as well as the application of adaptive modulation in varying SNR conditions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the relationship between transmission time, modulation scheme, and symbol rate when sending a JPEG image of 640x480 pixels.
  • Another participant suggests a formula for transmission time based on the number of bits to be transmitted and the bit rate, noting that both values can vary significantly.
  • A separate participant discusses the design of a modem for a rescue helicopter, mentioning the need for adaptive modulation based on SNR values of 50dB for 20% of the time and 20dB for 50% of the time, questioning how to implement these percentages in their design.
  • The same participant indicates that they have used 8-QAM for the worst-case SNR and 256-QAM for the best-case SNR, and they are exploring intermediate values for M-QAM schemes.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the frequency band and link budget for the modem design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implementation of SNR percentages and the relationship between transmission time and modulation schemes. There is no consensus on how to approach these aspects, and multiple competing views remain on the best methods for addressing the design challenges presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the number of bits in a JPEG file can vary based on image detail, and the bit rate may fluctuate depending on line quality. Additionally, the discussion includes specific parameters such as bandwidth and fixed data rates, which may influence the design decisions but are not fully resolved.

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Hi all... I am trying to design digital modem to send 3 things,, audio, data and image, the problem that when I try to send image 640x480 pixel, with JPEJ format, I need to get a value for a transmission time by using the type of modulation scheme and symbol rate, my question is what the relation that could I use between transmission time , modulation scheme and symbol rate??
Please help me. I am really stuck in this problem,,,
Thanks in advance
 
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I suspect there is more to the question but the short answer would be..

Transmission time = Number of bits to be transmitted (including overheads) / Bit rate of the system.

The problem is that both are variable. The number of bits in a JPEG file depends on the image detail. The bit rate of the system may vary depending on the line quality.
 
Thanks for your response..
 
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Hello.. I need a help with my design study, I am asked to design modem for UHF, 2 GHz, for rescue helicopter with speed 200km/h, to send 3 types of data, speech, image and onboard instrument data,,, I nearly finish my design,,, but I stuck in point,, as a part from my design I need to use adaptive modulation, I was given to values for SNR, 50dB for 20% of time and 20dB for 50% of time! the problem that I do not understand! what is the reason for these percentage,, where should I implement them? To make it more clear, for worst case of my design I used SNR 20 dB , this leads me to use 8-QAM scheme, and best case when SNR 50 dB this leads me to use 256-QAM, I assumed another values in between these two SNR values, to get another M-QAM schemes. So should I multiply these (%) with the SNR values that correlated to or what? Please help me..
I hope that I clarified the problem,,
Thank you in advance...
 
Asma said:
Hi all... I am trying to design digital modem to send 3 things,, audio, data and image, the problem that when I try to send image 640x480 pixel, with JPEJ format, I need to get a value for a transmission time by using the type of modulation scheme and symbol rate, my question is what the relation that could I use between transmission time , modulation scheme and symbol rate??
Please help me. I am really stuck in this problem,,,
Thanks in advance

Asma said:
Hello.. I need a help with my design study, I am asked to design modem for UHF, 2 GHz, for rescue helicopter with speed 200km/h, to send 3 types of data, speech, image and onboard instrument data,,, I nearly finish my design,,, but I stuck in point,, as a part from my design I need to use adaptive modulation, I was given to values for SNR, 50dB for 20% of time and 20dB for 50% of time! the problem that I do not understand! what is the reason for these percentage,, where should I implement them? To make it more clear, for worst case of my design I used SNR 20 dB , this leads me to use 8-QAM scheme, and best case when SNR 50 dB this leads me to use 256-QAM, I assumed another values in between these two SNR values, to get another M-QAM schemes. So should I multiply these (%) with the SNR values that correlated to or what? Please help me..
I hope that I clarified the problem,,
Thank you in advance...

Calm down, calm down. Everything's going to be allright.

What frequency band would you like to use? What is your link budget?
 
Thanks berkeman.. The band width need to use it was 10kHz, the modem will operate on 2GHz frequency,,and the onboard instrument produces data about 200 bps (fixed),, and each modem will have SNR 50db for 20%of time and 20db for 50% of time,,,these are all my given parameters..
 

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