Traveling and Standing Waves in Quantum Mechanics

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around representing a wave in quantum mechanics, specifically how to derive the expression for a standing wave by subtracting two waves moving in opposite directions. The original poster seeks clarification on the mathematical representation and transformation of wave functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the hint provided regarding the representation of a wave moving in the opposite direction and explore how to relate the resulting expression to sine functions. There is uncertainty about the correct application of Euler's formula and how to manipulate the wave equations to achieve the desired form.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and guidance to each other. There is a progression in understanding as they work through the implications of Euler's formula and the relationship between sine and exponential functions. Some participants express confusion about specific mathematical transformations but are making attempts to clarify their reasoning.

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There is a hint provided to use Euler's formula, and participants are encouraged to explore the implications of complex numbers in their calculations. The original poster expresses a lack of initial understanding, indicating that they are navigating through the problem with peer support.

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Homework Statement


A wave in quantum mechanics is represented by Aei(kx-\omegat). Show that a standing wave looks like 2iAe-i\omegatsin(kx) by subtracting two waves moving in opposite directions. (Hint: make the k negative in one of the waves)


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As far as I know, the 2 equations in the problem


The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly, I have no idea where to start. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Just follow the hint. How would you represent the wave moving in the opposite direction?
 
That's the thing... I'm not sure. If I had to guess, I would say it would look something like:

Aei(kx-\omegat) - Bei(-kx-\omegat)

But how do I relate it to sine?
 
ourio said:
That's the thing... I'm not sure. If I had to guess, I would say it would look something like:

Aei(kx-\omegat) - Bei(-kx-\omegat)
Good, but use A for the second wave instead of B.
But how do I relate it to sine?
Hint: Look up Euler's formula.
 
Thanks for the hint about Euler's formula... it really helped. So from the original equation, I now have:

A[cos(kx-wt)+i sin(kx-wt)]-A[cos(-kx-wt)+i sin(-kx-wt)]

I distributed the A term throughout, and found that the cosine terms canceled. I was left with:

Aisin(kx-wt)-Aisin(-kx-wt)

which could be written as

Aisin(kx-wt)+Aisin(kx+wt)

But now I have to somehow re-introduce an exp function and take the 'wt' term from the sine. Hmmmm...
 
Another hint: ea+b = eaeb
 
OK... so I found that the original equation can be written as follows:
Aeikxe-iwt
Using Euler's formula on the eikx gives:
Ae-iwt (cos(ikx)+i sin(ikx))

I know that the cosine term will eventually cancel when I subtract. But the complex number in the sine bothers me. Won't that end up being a hyperbolic function? I carried the math through and came up with this:

2iAe-iwt (sin(ikx))

I'm a lot closer, but I don't know how to deal with the complex number in the trig function
 
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ourio said:
Using Euler's formula on the eikx gives:
Ae-iwt (cos(ikx)+i sin(ikx))
Not exactly. Euler's formula says:
eix = cosx + isinx
 
Oh, I'm an idiot! Of course the complex number isn't in the sine!

Thanks Doc Al for all of your help! I'll never forget about Euler's formula again! :)
 

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