Tricky integral and nasty Maple

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral \(\int_{0}^{\infty }\frac{x\ln x}{1+e^{x}}dx\) and the interpretation of the Hurwitz zeta function \(\zeta(1,2)\) as computed by Maple software. Participants explore the relationship between different expressions for the integral and the associated sums, as well as the capabilities of various versions of Maple software.

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  • One participant presents an integral and its evaluation by Maple, expressing confusion about the Hurwitz zeta function \(\zeta(1,2)\) and its divergence.
  • Another participant suggests that the two expressions for the integral are equal and inquires about the use of specific Maple functions.
  • A participant mentions using an older version of Maple and questions the notation of the zeta function, suggesting a discrepancy in its value.
  • One participant provides an excerpt from Maple's help files regarding the zeta function's derivative, contributing to the discussion about \(\zeta(1,2)\).
  • Another participant shares their experience with Scientific Workplace and its handling of special functions, noting limitations in their familiarity with standard notations.
  • A participant relates the sum to the derivative of the zeta function and provides a detailed mathematical derivation involving the zeta and eta functions.
  • One participant acknowledges having performed similar calculations independently, confirming the relationship between the sums discussed.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the zeta function and its value, as well as the capabilities of their respective software versions. There is no consensus on the evaluation of the sum or the nature of the zeta function in this context.

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Participants mention limitations related to software versions and notation differences, which may affect their ability to evaluate the integral and the associated sums accurately.

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Let's say i feed Maple with this baby

[tex]\int_{0}^{\infty }\frac{x\ln x}{1+e^{x}}dx[/tex]

After some thinking he gives me

[tex]\int_{0}^{\infty }\frac{x\ln x}{1+e^{x}}dx = \frac{1}{12}\left( \ln 2\right) \pi ^{2}+\frac{1}{12}\pi ^{2}-\frac{1}{12}\pi ^{2}\gamma+\frac{1}{2}\zeta \left( 1,2\right)[/tex]

I say OK, even though i don't understand who [itex]\zeta \left( 1,2\right)[/itex] is. Is it Hurwitz zeta function ? If so, then it should diverge...:rolleyes: Anyway, the same software tells me that

[tex]\zeta \left( 1,2\right) = -.\,93754\,82543[/tex]

So i say OK again, even though I'm not satisfied with what zeta stands for...

But that's not the issue. The issue is that I'm putting my head to work to do that integral and i get

[tex]\int_{0}^{\infty }\frac{x\ln x}{1+e^{x}}dx = \frac{\pi ^{2}}{12}\left( 1-\gamma \right) -\sum_{k=0}^{\infty }\left[ \left( -\right) ^{k}\frac{\ln \left( k+1\right) }{\left( k+1\right) ^{2}}\right][/tex]

So I'm thinking that the nasty sum should equal the 2 terms above, the one with the natural logarithm and the other with the dubious zeta function. But when i feed Maple with the sum, he doesn't return anything...

So what the heck? Dumb software, i figure... He woudn't give me not even an approximate numerical value of the sum...:mad:

So the question is: any ideas on how to evaluate the sum...?

Daniel.
 
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I had no problem with getting Maple to evaluate your sum. The two expressions are equal.

Sorry if these questions are silly, but ...

Did you use evalf?

Did you use add (not sum)?
 
I didn't use standard Maple,but an ancient version (5.3 i guess) implemented in Scientific WorkPlace 2.5.

I don't write code, i drag & drop symbols, so your questions, unfortunately don't help...

BTW, is that Hurwitz zeta function, or not...? If so, then it must be the notation from Andrews, Askey & Roy's book that would apply and not the one from Whittaker & Watson. The difference btw the 2 is the reversed order of arguments. However, let's say we adopt the former notation. Then

[tex]\zeta (1,2) =\zeta (2)= \frac{\pi^{2}}{6}\neq 0.9375...[/tex]

So it's still unclear...

Daniel.
 
Excerpt from Maple v10 help files:

The call Zeta(n, z) gives the nth derivative of the Zeta function, Zeta(n,z) = diff(Zeta(z), z$n)

hence [tex]\zeta(1,2) = \zeta^{\prime}(2)[/tex]
 
Thanks for the input on the zeta function.

Daniel.
 
I'm a big fan of Scierntific Workplace, and I even use it to write posts for these forums. I have an ancient (Maple) version of Scientific Workplace, but not as ancient as your version.

My version evalutes numerically your expression, but I couldn't just use the greek letter gamma for this. I copied and pasted into your expression the gamma that Scientific Workplace spat out when I asked it to do the original integral.

I am not very familiar with these special functions, or with standard notations for them.
 
zeta prime sums

notice that your sum

[tex]-\sum_{k=0}^{\infty }\left[ \left( -\right) ^{k}\frac{\ln \left( k+1\right) }{\left( k+1\right) ^{2}} = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\left[ \left( -\right) ^{k}\frac{\ln \left( k\right) }{k^{2}}[/tex]

is related to the derivative of the zeta function:

Let [tex]\zeta (s)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k^s}[/tex] and [tex]\hat{\zeta} (s)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{k^s}[/tex] since

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k^s}+\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{k^s} = 2^{1-s}\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k^s}[/tex]​

so that

[tex]\zeta (s)+\hat{\zeta} (s) = 2^{1-s} \zeta (s) \Rightarrow \hat{\zeta} (s) =\left( 1- 2^{1-s}\right) \zeta (s)[/tex]​

differentiating w.r.t. s, we have

[tex]\frac{d}{ds}\hat{\zeta} (s) = \frac{d}{ds}\left[ \left( 1- 2^{1-s}\right) \zeta (s) \right][/tex]

or

[tex]\frac{d}{ds}\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k}{k^s}= 2^{1-s}\log (2) \zeta (s) + \left( 1- 2^{1-s}\right) \zeta^{\prime} (s)[/tex]

in terms of sums

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^k\log (k)}{k^s} = 2^{1-s}\log (2) \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k^s} + \left( 1- 2^{1-s}\right) \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{\log (k)}{k^s}[/tex]

to get your sum, set s=2.
 
Funny, I've done the same calculations by myself. Thx for the effort, though. And [itex]\hat{\zeta}[/itex] is commonly denoted by [itex]\eta[/itex] and is called the eta function of Dirichlet.

Daniel.
 

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