Tricky Integral, H-Atom Dipole Transition Matrix Elements

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The problem involves evaluating a triple integral related to the dipole moment matrix elements for a transition in a hydrogen atom, specifically the z-component of the |2,1,0> to |1,0,0> transition. The integral is presented in Cartesian coordinates and is part of a larger context involving quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss switching to spherical coordinates as a potential approach to simplify the integral. There are mentions of integration by parts and the importance of the Jacobian in the transformation.

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Some participants have shared their attempts and insights, with one indicating they found a solution. Questions about the evaluation of specific integrals in spherical coordinates have been raised, leading to clarifications regarding the conventions used for the angles.

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There is a discussion about the conventions for integrating angles in spherical coordinates, specifically the limits for phi and theta, which are relevant to the evaluation of the integral and the resulting matrix elements.

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1. Problem

Evaluate

\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} z^{2} e^{-A \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}} dxdydz

2. Useful Formulae

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3. Attempt at Solution

Well, this is part of a much larger problem. I am trying to compute the dipole moment matrix elements for a Hydrogen 2P -> 1S transition, and it involves this integral. In particular, this is the "z-component" of the |2,1,0> -> |1,0,0> transition - I've already found the x- and y-components to be zero for this transition.

I've spent nearly an hour looking through online integral tables, and I've found nothing useful. Can anyone help? Thanks!
 
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switch to spherical coordinates and it should be doable.
It will probably take an integration by parts once or twice. (don't forget your jacobian)
 
I started in spherical, and had a tough time with it. But maybe I was turning to the definite integral tables too early. Looks like if I do integration by parts two (or maybe three?) times, it should take a familiar form.

Alright, I'll give it a shot.
 
Great, I got it. Thanks.

Quick question, though. What is:

\int_{0}^{2 \pi} \sin \phi d \phi

Isn't it zero? But then all of my matrix elements would go to zero when evaluated in spherical coordinates (where \phi is evaluate from 0 \rightarrow 2 \pi). It seems like cheating to evaluate it half-way and multiply by 2, giving 4 - but is that the trick?
 
logic smogic said:
Great, I got it. Thanks.

Quick question, though. What is:

\int_{0}^{2 \pi} \sin \phi d \phi

Isn't it zero? But then all of my matrix elements would go to zero when evaluated in spherical coordinates (where \phi is evaluate from 0 \rightarrow 2 \pi). It seems like cheating to evaluate it half-way and multiply by 2, giving 4 - but is that the trick?

that integral over 2pi is zero; but you integrate theta over 2 pi, and phi over pi. Does that make sense?
phi is the angle coming from the z axis, and theta is the angle in the xy plane. only one of those 2 angles needs to go from 0 to 2pi, and the other from 0 to pi; by convention this is phi and not theta --> and that is tied to the jacobian r^2 * sinphi dr dphi dtheta
 
Ah, I must've had my convention backwards. That fixes everything - thanks!
 
No prob!
 

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