Tricky inverse Laplace transform

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral equation involving the inverse Laplace transform, specifically focusing on the function f(t) defined by an integral and a cosine term. Participants are exploring the implications of the Laplace transform and its application to the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the Laplace transform and its manipulation, including attempts to rewrite expressions and apply inverse transforms. Some question the correctness of the steps taken, particularly regarding the convolution of transforms and the treatment of initial conditions.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of Laplace transforms and the need to clarify certain steps. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, and participants express uncertainty about their conclusions.

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Participants note potential errors in the application of the Laplace transform and the need for careful consideration of initial conditions. There is also mention of homework constraints that may affect the approach to the problem.

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I'm stuck on a problem, and I'm in serious need of help.

I) Problem:

Find the solution to f (t) = 2 \int^t_0 f&#039;(u) sin 3 (t-u) \ du + 2 cos (3t).
Also find f (0).II) Solution, so far:

F(s) = 2 (s F(s) - f(0)) * \frac{3}{(s^2 + 3^2)} + \frac{2}{(s^2 + 3^2)}

F(s) (1 - \frac{(6 s)}{(s^2 + 3^2)} = \frac{(2 s - 6 f(0)}{(s^2 + 3^2)}

F(s) = \frac{(2 s - 6 f(0)}{(s^2 + 3^2 - 6s)}And this is basically where I'm stuck.
III) Proposed final solution:

Rewrites (s^2 + 3^2 - 6s) to (s - 3)^2

F(s) = 2 s \frac{(1)}{(s - 3)^2)} - 6 f(0) \frac{(1)}{((s - 3)^2)}

f(t) = 2 \mathcal {L^{-1}} (s) \mathcal {L^{-1}} \frac{(1)}{(s - 3)^2} - 6 f(0) \mathcal {L^{-1}} \frac{(1)}{(s - 3)^2}

f(t) = 2 t * t e^{3t} - 6 f(0) t e^{3t}

f(t) = 2 t^2 e^{3t} - 6 f(0) t e^{3t}

Insert t = 0

f(0) = 0* 2 e^{3t} - 0 * 6 f(0) e^{3t} = 0

Hence, f(0) = 0 and therefore - 6 f(0) t e^{3t} = 0

which gives f(t) = 2 t^2 e^{3t}


However, I feel VERY unsure about this.

Any pointers and feedback are immensly welcome!
 
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materdei said:
I'm stuck on a problem, and I'm in serious need of help.

I) Problem:

Find the solution to f (t) = 2 \int^t_0 f&#039;(u) sin 3 (t-u) \ du + 2 cos (3t).
Also find f (0).II) Solution, so far:

F(s) = 2 (s F(s) - f(0)) * \frac{3}{(s^2 + 3^2)} + \frac{2}{(s^2 + 3^2)}

F(s) (1 - \frac{(6 s)}{(s^2 + 3^2)} = \frac{(2 s - 6 f(0)}{(s^2 + 3^2)}

F(s) = \frac{(2 s - 6 f(0)}{(s^2 + 3^2 - 6s)}And this is basically where I'm stuck.
III) Proposed final solution:

Rewrites (s^2 + 3^2 - 6s) to (s - 3)^2

F(s) = 2 s \frac{(1)}{(s - 3)^2)} - 6 f(0) \frac{(1)}{((s - 3)^2)}

f(t) = 2 \mathcal {L^{-1}} (s) \mathcal {L^{-1}} \frac{(1)}{(s - 3)^2} - 6 f(0) \mathcal {L^{-1}} \frac{(1)}{(s - 3)^2}
Well, this is an error. The inverse Laplace transform of \frac{s}{(s- 3)^2} is NOT the inverse Laplace transform of s times the inverse Laplace transform of \frac{1}{(x- 3)^2}

Try writing \frac{s}{(s- 3)^2} as \frac{s- 3}{(s- 3)^2}+ \frac{3}{(s- 3)^2}= \frac{1}{s- 3}+ 3\frac{1}{(s- 3)^2}

f(t) = 2 t * t e^{3t} - 6 f(0) t e^{3t}

f(t) = 2 t^2 e^{3t} - 6 f(0) t e^{3t}

Insert t = 0

f(0) = 0* 2 e^{3t} - 0 * 6 f(0) e^{3t} = 0

Hence, f(0) = 0 and therefore - 6 f(0) t e^{3t} = 0

which gives f(t) = 2 t^2 e^{3t}


However, I feel VERY unsure about this.

Any pointers and feedback are immensly welcome!
 
materdei said:
<< Moderator Note -- thread moved to the Homework Help forums >>

I'm stuck on a problem, and I'm in serious need of help.

I) Problem:

Find the solution to f (t) = 2 \int^t_0 f&#039;(u) sin 3 (t-u) \ du + 2 cos (3t).
Also find f (0).II) Solution, so far:

F(s) = 2 (s F(s) - f(0)) * \frac{3}{(s^2 + 3^2)} + \frac{2}{(s^2 + 3^2)}
You're not convolving the Laplace transforms, and you didn't transform cos 3t correctly. You should have
$$F(s) = 2\left[(s F(s)-f(0)) \frac{3}{s^2+3^2}\right] + \frac{2s}{s^2+3^2}.$$

Also, you can find f(0) by simply setting t=0 in the original equation.
 

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