Trig Identity Homework: Solving |sin z|^2 = \frac{1}{2}[cosh(2y)-cos(2x)]

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The discussion revolves around the equation |sin z|^2 = \frac{1}{2}[cosh(2y)-cos(2x)], which involves trigonometric identities and hyperbolic functions. Participants are exploring the relationship between these functions and how to manipulate the equation to show the stated equality.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to express |sin z|^2 in terms of exponential functions and trigonometric identities. Some suggest using known identities for cos^2 x and similar forms for sinh^2 y. Others explore direct manipulation of the exponential form of sin(z) to avoid trigonometric identities.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants providing guidance on potential errors in reasoning. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify steps and assumptions without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for mistakes in the manipulation of terms, particularly in the transition between different forms of the functions involved. There is an acknowledgment of the need to accurately apply identities and maintain consistency in the variables used.

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Homework Statement


Show [tex]|sin z|^2 = \frac{1}{2}[cosh(2y)-cos(2x)][/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]cosh2y = cosh^2y+sinh^2y[/tex]
[tex]cos2x = cos^2x-sin^2x[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what I have so far

[tex]|sinz|^2=|sin(x+iy)|^2=|sin(x)cosh(y)+icos(x)sinh(y)|^2[/tex]

[tex]=sin^2(x)cosh^2(y)+cos^2(x)sinh^2(y)[/tex]

[tex]=sin^2(x)cosh^2(y)+cos^2(x)sinh^2(y)-sin^2(x)sinh^2(y)+sin^2(x)sinh^2(y)[/tex]

[tex]=sin^2(x)[cosh^2(y)+sinh^2(y)]+sinh^2(y)[cos^2(x)-sin^2(x)][/tex]

[tex]=sin^2(x)cosh(2y)+sinh^2(y)cos(2x)[/tex]

how should i proceed?
 
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I'd try using the identity

[tex]\cos^2 x = \frac{1-\cos(2x)}{2}[/tex]

I assume there's a similar one for [itex]\sinh^2 y[/itex].
 
This also works out very directly if you use sin(z)=(exp(iz)-exp(-iz))/(2i), |sin(z)|^2=sin(z)*conjugate(sin(z)) and z=x+iy. If you work directly with the exponentials, you don't need any trig identities.
 
Dick said:
This also works out very directly if you use sin(z)=(exp(iz)-exp(-iz))/(2i), |sin(z)|^2=sin(z)*conjugate(sin(z)) and z=x+iy. If you work directly with the exponentials, you don't need any trig identities.

Doing it this way I get the following:

[tex]|sinz|^2=sin(z) sin(z)^*= \frac{1}{4} (e^{iz}-e^{-iz})(e^{-iz}-e^{iz})[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{4}(2-e^{2i(x+iy)}-e^{-2i(x+iy)})=\frac{1}{4}(2-e^{i2x}e^{i2iy}-e^{-i2x}e^{-i2iy})[/tex]

Converting to trig fcns,

[tex]\frac{1}{4}[2-(cos2x+isin2x)(cos2iy+isin2iy)-(cos2x-isin2x)(cos2iy-isin2iy)[/tex]

Now I know [itex]sinh(x)=-isin(ix)[/itex], [itex]cosh(x)=cos(ix)[/itex], but am i on the right track? i don't want to expand this out if I've already done something incorrect
 
kreil said:
Doing it this way I get the following:

[tex]|sinz|^2=sin(z) sin(z)^*= \frac{1}{4} (e^{iz}-e^{-iz})(e^{-iz}-e^{iz})[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{4}(2-e^{2i(x+iy)}-e^{-2i(x+iy)})=\frac{1}{4}(2-e^{i2x}e^{i2iy}-e^{-i2x}e^{-i2iy})[/tex]

Converting to trig fcns,

[tex]\frac{1}{4}[2-(cos2x+isin2x)(cos2iy+isin2iy)-(cos2x-isin2x)(cos2iy-isin2iy)[/tex]

Now I know [itex]sinh(x)=-isin(ix)[/itex], [itex]cosh(x)=cos(ix)[/itex], but am i on the right track? i don't want to expand this out if I've already done something incorrect

Good hunch. Yes, you have done something wrong already. You forgot to change the z to z* in the second factor.
 
ok ill try that ty
 
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kreil said:
ok ill try that

No, you didn't change z to z*. You wrote exp(-iz)-exp(iz). That should be exp(-iz*)-exp(iz*)=exp(-ix-y)-exp(ix+y). What's the first factor in terms of x and y?
 
I see now, it was a silly mistake.

[tex]=-\frac{1}{4} \left( e^{i(z+z^*)}-e^{i(z-z^*)}-e^{-i(z-z^*)}+e^{-i(z+z^*)} \right)[/tex]

and since z+z*=2x, z-z*=2iy,

[tex]=-\frac{1}{4} \left( e^{2ix}-e^{-2y}-e^{2y}+e^{-2ix} \right)[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{1}{2} \left( \frac{e^{2y}+e^{-2y}}{2}-\frac{e^{2ix}+e^{-2ix}}{2} \right)[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2} \left( cosh(2y) - cos(2x) \right)[/tex]

I'm a bit rusty from taking a semester off, thanks for your help!
 

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