Complex Analysis - Solving Complex Trig functions

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The discussion revolves around solving complex trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the equations involving hyperbolic sine and cosine. Participants explore different methods to approach the problem, including the use of exponential identities and simultaneous equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods for solving the equations, including the implications of simultaneous equations and the conditions under which certain values hold true. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the values of x and y, particularly in relation to periodicity and the nature of hyperbolic functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the relationships between the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the equations, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

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Participants note the complexity of the equations and the potential for multiple solutions based on different interpretations of the hyperbolic functions. There is also mention of previous methods that participants found less intuitive, indicating a preference for simpler approaches.

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Now, I know there's two ways to go about this and it seems everywhere I look around on the web people are solving it in a way I think that seems longer, harder and more prone to mistakes in exams. It involves using the exponential identities and taking logs. I was shown another way, but unfortunately I haven't quite got the grasp of it.

sinh z = 0

sinh (x + iy) = sinh(x)cos(y) + i cosh(x)sin(y) = 0

So

1) sinh(x)cos(y) = 0
2) cosh(x)sin(y) = 0

(1) Either x = 0 or y = ± Pi/2
(2) cosh (x) is never 0, so therefore x is not 0. Hence y = 0

This is where I'm stuck, I do not know how to go from here.

The answer is z = i*k*Pi
 
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You have two simultaneous equations. You've correctly deduced that cosh(x) is never 0, so therefore in equation 2 divide both sides by cosh(x) to get

sin(y) = 0

which occurs when y = k*Pi, where k is an element of the integer set

Ok so we now know y! Let's look at x. Now you use your first equation:

at y = k*Pi, cos(y) = 1 or -1

so divide both sides by cos(y) and get

sinh(x) = 0, therefore x = 0

so what we have is z = x + iy = i * k * Pi.

This method is a lot more simple, it just involves working through the simultaneous equations carefully. Where you started to go wrong was when you assumed y just has to equal 0, rather than the general solution of k * Pi
 
Hmm, interesting. I think I'm starting to see it now.

So suppose I have cosh z = 1

cosh (x + iy) = cosh(x)cos(y) + i sinh(x)sin(y) = 1

cosh(x)cos(y) = 1
sinh(x)sin(y) = 0

cosh(x) = 1 only when x = 0, and cos (y) = 1 for 2*k*Pi

So now we already have values for x and y, substituting this into the imaginary component, validates that.

So z = i*2*k*Pi

Is my reasoning correct? Thank you for your help by the way.
 
Stuck again now!

cosh z = 2i

I posted this question earlier but back then I only knew the exponential and log method.

What I've got so far:

cos (x + iy) = cosh(x)cos(y) + i sinh(x)sin(y) = 2i

1) cosh(x)cos(y) = 0
2) sinh(x)sin(y) = 2i

From equation 1, cosh x cannot be zero. For cos (y) = 0, y is periodic so y = (Pi/2 + kPi)

Now this is where I'm stuck on how to deal with that in equation 2.

The final answer given is (-1)^k arcsinh(2) + i(kPi +Pi/2)

I can see how that answer for y I got in equation 1 has something to do with the final answer.

Edit:

I'm thinking that if y = (Pi/2 + kPi), this would mean sin(y) = (-1)^k

So dividing sin (y) in equation 2, we get sinh(x) = (-1)k 2i

Taking arcsinh of this now means arcsinh((-1)^k 2i)

Does this mean I can take out the (-1)^k ? I still haven't figured out what to do with the i hanging around.
 
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NewtonianAlch said:
cosh(x) = 1 only when x = 0, and cos (y) = 1 for 2*k*Pi

That's true but cosh(x) cos(y) = 1 holds for other values as well, for example cosh(x)=2, cos(y) = 1/2.

2) sinh(x)sin(y) = 2i

that should be 2, not 2i
 
clamtrox said:
That's true but cosh(x) cos(y) = 1 holds for other values as well, for example cosh(x)=2, cos(y) = 1/2.



that should be 2, not 2i

That would explain it then, thanks!
 

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