Trig Identity Question: Finding theta in Projectile Problem

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem where the original poster is attempting to find the angle \(\theta\) using a trigonometric equation involving \(\sin(2\theta)\) and \(\tan(\theta)\). The equation presented is \(\frac{1}{2} (\sin(2\theta)) \tan^2(\theta) - \tan(\theta) + \frac{1}{2} \sin(2\theta) = 0\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to manipulate the equation, including rewriting \(\tan(\theta)\) in terms of \(\sin(\theta)\) and \(\cos(\theta)\). Some participants suggest using trigonometric identities, while others express confusion about the validity of the equation and whether it holds for all \(\theta\).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different algebraic manipulations and questioning the assumptions made in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities, but there is no consensus on the resolution of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation may be true for all \(\theta\), suggesting a potential error in earlier steps of the problem. There is also mention of evaluating the equation at specific angles, such as zero degrees, to check for validity.

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Homework Statement



Basically I am finishing of a projectile question and I get stuck here:

Trying to find \theta

\frac{1}{2} (sin2 \theta) tan^2 \theta -tan \theta + \frac{1}{2} sin2 \theta = 0

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I tryed spliting tan \theta into \frac{sin \theta}{cos \theta} but I don't really get anywhere.
I know it requires using a trig identity but I can't really see a suitable one.
Thanks for the help in advance!
 
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The identities \sin(2\theta)=2\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta) and \sec^2(\theta)=\tan^2(\theta)+1 should both be useful.

However, you won't be able to solve your equation for \theta since it turns out your equation is true for all \theta!:eek:

You must have made an error earlier in the problem.
 
hmm I got sin x =0 so x=0.
 
sin \theta cos \theta (tan^2 \theta) - tan \theta + sin \theta cos \theta = 0

sin \theta cos \theta (sec^2 \theta) - \frac{sin \theta}{cos \theta} = 0

cos^2 \theta (sec^2 \theta) = 1

1 =1

?
 
Bright Wang said:
hmm I got sin x =0 so x=0.

Then you should double check your algebra :wink:
 
Ed Aboud said:
sin \theta cos \theta (tan^2 \theta) - tan \theta + sin \theta cos \theta = 0

sin \theta cos \theta (sec^2 \theta) - \frac{sin \theta}{cos \theta} = 0

cos^2 \theta (sec^2 \theta) = 1

1 =1

?

Like I said; your equation is true for all \theta, so you must have made an error earlier in the problem.
 
Ed Aboud said:
\frac{1}{2} (sin2 \theta) tan^2 \theta -tan \theta + \frac{1}{2} sin2 \theta = 0

First thing I did was find rewrite everything in terms of sin and cos:

sin(\theta)cos(\theta) \frac{sin^{2}(\theta)}{cos^{2}(\theta)} - \frac{sin(\theta)}{cos(\theta)} + sin(\theta)cos(\theta) = 0

Then I found the common denominator and got:

\frac{sin^{3}(\theta) - sin(\theta) + sin(\theta)cos^{2}(\theta)}{cos(\theta)} = 0

So now we have to consider 2 cases

1) cos(\theta) = 0

That case cannot hold because your original expression has tan in it and therefore it is assumed that cos(\theta) \neq 0

2) cos(\theta) \neq 0 \Rightarrow sin(\theta)(sin^{2}(\theta) - 1 + cos^{2}(\theta)) = 0

The 2nd case gives you 0 = 0 so it seems like your expression holds true for any x.
 
Ed Aboud said:

Homework Statement



Basically I am finishing of a projectile question and I get stuck here:

Trying to find \theta

\frac{1}{2} (sin2 \theta) tan^2 \theta -tan \theta + \frac{1}{2} sin2 \theta = 0

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I tryed spliting tan \theta into \frac{sin \theta}{cos \theta} but I don't really get anywhere.
I know it requires using a trig identity but I can't really see a suitable one.
Thanks for the help in advance!

try searching you double angle rules for something related to sin2x=2sinxcosx and apply it
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
Then you should double check your algebra :wink:

lol but if you put zero degree in you do get 0. I have probability done something wrong.
 
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Zero degree? Are you saying if you evaluate it at theta = 0 you get 0 = 0? Did you read the post I made?
 
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Bright Wang said:
lol but if you put zero degree in you do get 0. I have probability done something wrong.

Try plugging in other values too. ...notice anything?:wink:
 
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NoMoreExams said:
First thing I did was find rewrite everything in terms of sin and cos:

sin(\theta)cos(\theta) \frac{sin^{2}(\theta)}{cos^{2}(\theta)} - \frac{sin(\theta)}{cos(\theta)} + sin(\theta)cos(\theta) = 0

Then I found the common denominator and got:

\frac{sin^{3}(\theta) - sin(\theta) + sin(\theta)cos^{2}(\theta)}{cos(\theta)} = 0

So now we have to consider 2 cases

1) cos(\theta) = 0

That case cannot hold because your original expression has tan in it and therefore it is assumed that cos(\theta) \neq 0

2) cos(\theta) \neq 0 \Rightarrow sin(\theta)(sin^{2}(\theta) - 1 + cos^{2}(\theta)) = 0

The 2nd case gives you 0 = 0 so it seems like your expression holds true for any x.

sorry, yep your right!
 

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