Trig Quick Question: Solving for Values of θ in 0 ≤ θ ≤ 360 Interval

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 2sinθ = cosecθ for values of θ within the interval 0 ≤ θ ≤ 360. Participants explore the implications of manipulating the equation and the resulting solutions.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the equation by manipulating it into a form involving sinθ and questions the additional solutions obtained through factoring. Other participants provide analogies to clarify the issue of undefined factors and the implications of assuming real numbers in the context of the problem.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the reasoning behind the undefined nature of certain solutions and the consequences of factoring. There is a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached regarding the underlying reasons for the observed behavior in the solutions.

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There is a focus on the implications of undefined values in mathematical operations and the assumptions made during the factoring process. The discussion highlights the importance of recognizing when certain solutions may not be valid due to these factors.

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Solve for values of θ in the interval 0 ≤ θ ≤ 360,

2sinθ = cosecθ

now if I do:

2sinθ = 1/(sinθ) and multiply by sinθ

I can solve sinθ = ±√(1/2)

but if I solve 2sinθ - 1/(sinθ) = 0 and factorise to get sinθ(2 - (1/sin^2θ)) = 0

I get sinθ = 0 which gives me more solutions then needed. I've drawn the graphs of both functions and they meet where the solutions of θ are such that sinθ = ±√(1/2) , then why do I get more solutions if I factorise?
 
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Because at [itex]\sin\theta=0[/itex] the other factor is undefined.

Think about the function [tex]y=\frac{x(x+1)}{x}[/tex] this is pretty much equivalent to [itex]y=x+1[/itex] except for the fact that it has a hole at x=0 (the coordinate (0,1)). If we solved this equation for when y=0, clearly the only answer is x=-1, but if we factored out x then what we'd have is:

[tex]x\left(\frac{x+1}{x}\right)=0[/tex]

Which seems like it would have an x=0 solution, but it doesn't by the same reasoning.
 
Mentallic said:
Because at [itex]\sin\theta=0[/itex] the other factor is undefined.

Think about the function [tex]y=\frac{x(x+1)}{x}[/tex] this is pretty much equivalent to [itex]y=x+1[/itex] except for the fact that it has a hole at x=0 (the coordinate (0,1)). If we solved this equation for when y=0, clearly the only answer is x=-1, but if we factored out x then what we'd have is:

[tex]x\left(\frac{x+1}{x}\right)=0[/tex]

Which seems like it would have an x=0 solution, but it doesn't by the same reasoning.

I see, thanks.

But why does this happen? Is there a particular reason or just one of those things.
 
phospho said:
I see, thanks.

But why does this happen? Is there a particular reason or just one of those things.

It happens because when we use the rule that if [itex]ab=0[/itex] then either a, b or both are equal to zero, we are assuming that a and b are real numbers. Undefined numbers and infinite are not real.

Without using any rigor, if we use an undefined number like 1/0 such that a=0 and b=1/0, then ab=1 (again, I'm abusing the maths here just to explain a point, don't take it as being correct). As you can see while we solved for a=0, it turns out that ab didn't turn out to be equal to zero, hence we cannot take a=0 because it is not a solution.
 
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