Trignometric Substiution Problem

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The problem involves evaluating the integral \(\int _0 ^a 4x^2 \sqrt{a^2-x^2} dx\) using trigonometric substitution, specifically substituting \(x = a \sin(\theta)\). Participants are exploring the implications of this substitution on the bounds and the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution \(x = a \sin(\theta)\) and its effect on the integral and bounds. There are questions about the resulting bounds after substitution, particularly why they yield from 1 to 0 instead of 0 to 1. Some participants also express confusion about the implications of switching the order of integration limits.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing corrections to LaTeX formatting and sharing insights about the evaluation process. There is acknowledgment of mistakes made in the substitution process, and some participants are reflecting on the implications of their findings. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final evaluation of the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of guidance provided. There are also indications of confusion regarding the proper application of substitution and the interpretation of bounds in integrals.

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Homework Statement



[itex]\displaystyle \int _0 ^a 4x^2 \sqrt{a^2-x^2} dx[/itex]

Homework Equations



[itex]\cos^2 x =1 - \sin^2 x[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Substuting

Substituting [itex]x=a \sin(\theta)[/itex]

[itex]dx=a\cos( \theta) d\theta[/itex]

x=0
asin[itex]\theta[/itex]=0
sin[itex]\theta[/itex]=0
[itex]\theta[/itex]=0

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{a} 4x^2 \sqrt{a^2-x^2} dx =[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{\pi/2} 4(a\sin\theta)^2 \sqrt{a^2-(a\sin\theta)^2} a\cos\theta d\theta=[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{\pi/2} 4a^2sin^2\theta \sqrt{a^2-a^2sin^2\theta}a\cos\theta d\theta=[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{\pi/2} 4a^2sin^2\theta a \sqrt{1-sin^2\theta}a\cos\theta d\theta=[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{\pi/2} 4a^2sin^2\theta a cos\theta a\cos\theta d\theta=[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle 4a^4\int_{0}^{\pi/2} sin \theta cos^2 \theta d\theta=[/itex]

U substitution

[itex]u=cos\theta[/itex]

[itex]-du= sin\theta d\theta[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle 4a^4\int u^2 du=[/itex]
When I put in the bounds it yields from 1 to 0. What did I do wrong
 
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So the code is messed up basically

Integral from 0 to a [4x^2 squareroot(a^2 - x^2)]dx =

4a^4 integral from 0 to pi/2 [sin theta cos^2 theta] dtheta

I'm stuck trying to change the bounds with a u substitution
 
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Archimedes II said:

Homework Statement



[itex]\displaystyle \int _0 ^a 4x^2 \sqrt{a^2-x^2} dx[/itex]

Homework Equations



[itex]\cos^2 x =1 - \sin^2 x[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Substituting [itex]x=a \sin(\theta)[/itex]

[itex]dx=a\cos( \theta) d\theta[/itex]

New Bounds

x=a
a sin[itex]\theta[/itex]=a
sin[itex]\theta[/itex]=1
[itex]\theta[/itex]=[itex]\pi[/itex]/2x=0
asin[itex]\theta[/itex]=0
sin[itex]\theta[/itex]=0
[itex]\theta[/itex]=0

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{a} 4x^2 \sqrt{a^2-x^2} dx =[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{\pi/2} 4(a\sin\theta)^2 \sqrt{a^2-(a\sin\theta)^2}\ \, a\cos\theta d\theta=[/itex]
I fixed your LaTeX code up to this point.

[itex]\int from 0 to \pi/2 4(a^2sin^2\theta)\sgrt{a^2-(a^2sin^2\theta)} acos\theta d\theta[/itex]=

[itex]\int from 0 to \pi/2 4(a^2sin^2\theta) a \sgrt{(1- sin\theta)} acos\theta d\theta[/itex]=

[itex]\int from 0 to \pi/2 4(a^2sin^2\theta) a sos\theta acos\theta d\theta[/itex]=

[itex]4a^4\int form 0 to \pi/2 sin \theta cos^2 \theta d\theta[/itex]

Let u= [itex]cos/theta[/itex]

thus -du=[itex]sin/theta d\theta[/itex]

My problems is when I set the new bounds I get from 1 to 0 not 0 to 1. What am I doing wrong?
Here is the Code for some of the lines I fixed:

Code:
[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{a} 4x^2 \sqrt{a^2-x^2} dx =[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{0}^{\pi/2}  4(a\sin\theta)^2 \sqrt{a^2-(a\sin\theta)^2} a\cos\theta d\theta=[/itex]

The "\displaystyle" modifier allows the integral symbol to be larger than otherwise.

I'll let you edit the Original Post .
 
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Ok, I fixed it thank you very much. I didn't know how to put a bound into the intergral code.
 
Archimedes II said:
...

[itex]\displaystyle 4a^4\int_{0}^{\pi/2} sin \theta cos^2 \theta d\theta=[/itex]

U substitution

[itex]u=cos\theta[/itex]

[itex]-du= sin\theta d\theta[/itex]

When I put in the bounds it yields from 1 to 0. What did I do wrong
So you get

[itex]\displaystyle -4a^4\int_{1}^{0} u^2\,du[/itex]

Right?
 
SammyS said:
So you get

[itex]\displaystyle -4a^4\int_{1}^{0} u^2\,du[/itex]

Right?

Yes but the how can the bound be from a higher number to a smaller one.
 
Archimedes II said:
Yes but the how can the bound be from a higher number to a smaller one.
What does switching the order do to the integral?
 
SammyS said:
What does switching the order do to the integral?

I solved it I forgot to square the sin at the end. I did't need to use a u substitution.

Any regardless if you have that bound it yields a negative answer.

Thanks for helping though.

The answer is

[itex]\pi a^4/4[/itex]
 
Archimedes II said:
I solved it I forgot to square the sin at the end. I didn't need to use a u substitution.

Any regardless if you have that bound it yields a negative answer.

Thanks for helping though.

The answer is

[itex]\pi a^4/4[/itex]
Yes. It works out just fine either way.

Switching the limits of integration switches the sign. That's good because it got rid of that leading negative sign.

... and you learned a bit more of LaTeX coding .
 

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