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The discussion revolves around understanding differential k forms, particularly in the context of a specific problem involving finding a differential form \( da \) such that \( da = w \), where \( w \) is expressed in terms of \( dx \) and \( dy \). Participants are exploring the abstract concepts presented in the source material and how they relate to more concrete examples.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion regarding the proof of differential k forms and seeks a more concrete explanation. Another participant requests clarification on what specific information is needed. A third participant presents an example of a differential form and questions the meaning of \( dx \) and \( dy \). Further, there is a discussion about the conditions for a differential to be exact and the implications of mixed partial derivatives.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the definitions and applications of differential forms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for exact differentials and the process of integrating to find functions, but there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's queries.

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Participants note the abstract nature of the source material and the challenges posed by the rapid pace of instruction. There is also mention of the relationship between the problem at hand and concepts typically covered in advanced calculus or differential geometry courses.

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Homework Statement


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Solving differential k forms.

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I don't want to give any exact problems from my problem set.

The Attempt at a Solution


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The text I'm using, CH Edwards, is very abstract in this section and the explanation over a sped up, last class and a half of the semester was only more vague.

I think I understand the definition of a k form and how they go through the grad, curl, and div as k increases but I'm losing it on the proof which jumps over what it considers "routine but brute force computations".

Is there a bit more concrete way to explain the direction I'm trying to go?
 
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Can you give more information? It's not clear to me what you are looking for.
 
So, this first example, i have,

w=(3x^2y^2+8xy^3)dx + (2x^3y+12x^2y^2+4y)dy

I'm asked to find da such that da=w

Which reminds me of a differential equation but I'm not sure what to do with it. What does the dx and dy represent?
 
For any function, f(x,y), of two variables, [itex]df= f_xdx+ f_ydy[/itex]. In particular, if you are given that [itex]da= (3x^2y^2+ 8xy^3)dx+ (3x^3y+ 12x^2y^2+ 4y)dy[/itex] then [itex]a_x= 3x^2y^2+ 8xy^3[/itex] and [itex]a_y= 2x^3y+ 12x^2y^2+ 4y[/itex].

I presume you know that, for any function, a(x,y), with continuous second derivatives, the two mixed second derivatives must be equal: [itex]a_{xy}= a_{yx}[/itex]. We can use that to check if there is, in fact, a solution to this problem- in general, just putting to simple functions, say, f(x,y) and g(x,y) together as f(x,y)dx+ g(x,y) does NOT result in an "exact differential" because [itex]f_y\ne g_x[/itex]. But here, [itex]a_{xy}= (3x^2y^2+ 8xy^3)_y= 6x^2y+ 24xy^2= (2x^3y+ 12x^2y^2+ 4y)_x[/itex].

So, knowing that [itex]a_x= 3x^2y^2+ 8xy^3[/itex] and that the partial derivative with respect to x treats y like a constant, we can find a by integrating with respect to x, treating y as a constant. HOWEVER, that means that the "constant" of integration might actually be a function of y- call that, say F(y). So now differentiate the "a" you just got with respect to y, leaving the derivative of F as F' and set that equal to [itex]2x^3y+ 12x^2y^2+ 4y[/itex]. Because of the check above, we know that the "x" terms will cancel leaving an expression, involving only y, for F'. Integrate that to find F.

(I am puzzled by your reference to "differential k forms". They usually arise in an advanced differential geometry course. But the problem you give is a standard "third semester Calculus" or "Calculus of functions of several variables" problem.)
 

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