Trouble understanding vector hat notation - Circular Motion

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The discussion revolves around understanding vector notation in the context of circular motion, specifically focusing on the use of unit vectors such as r-hat and theta-hat as presented in an MIT lecture. Participants express confusion regarding the application of these notations in equations related to position, velocity, and acceleration.

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  • Participants attempt to clarify the meaning of r-hat and theta-hat as unit vectors in polar coordinates, comparing them to Cartesian coordinates. Questions arise about the role of the position vector in acceleration equations and the implications of constant angular velocity on linear speed.

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Some participants provide insights into the nature of unit vectors in polar coordinates and the differentiation process involved in deriving velocity and acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these concepts, with no explicit consensus reached on the interpretation of certain equations.

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Participants note the complexity of the material and the need for further resources to enhance their understanding of vector notation and calculus, indicating a shared recognition of the challenges presented by the topic.

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See slide 23: http://web.mit.edu/8.01t/www/materials/Presentations/Presentation_W04D1.pdf
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I don't understand hat notation?
I'm new to classical mechanics.
I've done enough work with vectors to get the basics.
But, I'm having trouble understanding the notation on this MIT presentation I found on circular motion: http://web.mit.edu/8.01t/www/materials/Presentations/Presentation_W04D1.pdf
On slide 23, for example, I don't understand how they keep multiplying (it seems) with r-hat (is that how you say it?).
I don't quite get how to translate the position equation on the top of the slide either.
I'll be happy with either an explanation or a link to good resources to read on the topic.
Thanks in advance!
 

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First, yes that's how you say it "r-hat" and "theta-hat".

The basic idea is that ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}## are unit vectors, similar to ##\hat{x}## and ##\hat{y}## that you have in Cartesian coordinates. ##\hat{r}## is in the direction of the position vector; and ##\hat{\theta}## is perpendicular to this in a counter-clockwise direction.

There are two big differences between Cartesian and Polar notation:

In Cartesian coordinates, the position vector, ##\vec{r}##, is:

##\vec{r} = x\hat{x} + y\hat{y}##

In polar notation, the position vector involves only ##\hat{r}##. So, we have:

##\vec{r} = r\hat{r}##

Note that ##\hat{\theta}## does not appear in the position vector.

The biggest difference, however, is that the polar unit vectors change with position. Hence, when we are studying motion they change with time. In Cartesian coordinates, once you have chosen your ##x## and ##y## axes the unit vectors are fixed and don't change with position or time.

The velocity vector in Cartesian coordinates is simply:

##\vec{v} = \frac{d \vec{r}}{dt} = \frac{dx}{dt} \hat{x} + \frac{dy}{dt} \hat{y}##

The velocity vector, therefore, is more complicated in polar notation, as you must calculate how the unit vectors change over time:

##\vec{v} = \frac{d \vec{r}}{dt} = \frac{dr}{dt} \hat{r} + r \frac{d \hat r}{dt}##

It turns out that in general ##\frac{d \hat r}{dt} = \frac{d \theta}{dt} \hat \theta## (this is a non-trivial exercise to show this). Putting this into our last equation gives:

##\vec{v} = \frac{dr}{dt} \hat{r} + r \frac{d \theta }{dt} \hat{\theta}##

You can now take the special case of motion in a circle, where ##r## is constant to get:

##\vec{v} = r\frac{d \theta }{dt} \hat{\theta}##

Note: I think this material is quite tricky, so you have to keep working at it.
 
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Thanks. I definitely need to work on my understanding of vector notation.
But:
On that slide I posted, does the end of the acceleration equation make sense?
When ω is constant, linear speed ν is also constant. Hence, there is no at or α (angular acceleration).
But, there is ar/c which is given by ν2/r or ω2/r.
What I don't understand is why the position vector r or r(t) is repeatedly placed in there like that. It's not being multiplied with right?
Or, is it to be read as "acceleration at that position vector".
 
PeroK said:
##\vec{v} = \frac{d \theta }{dt} \hat{\theta}##
Typo: ##\vec{v} =r \frac{d \theta }{dt} \hat{\theta}##
 
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lightlightsup said:
Thanks. I definitely need to work on my understanding of vector notation.
But:
On that slide I posted, does the end of the acceleration equation make sense?
When ω is constant, linear speed ν is also constant. Hence, there is no at or α (angular acceleration).
But, there is ar/c which is given by ν2/r or ω2/r.
What I don't understand is why the position vector r or r(t) is repeatedly placed in there like that. It's not being multiplied with right?
Or, is it to be read as "acceleration at that position vector".
It's not just being " placed in there". It arises as part of the differentiation process, according to the rules of calculus.
 
lightlightsup said:
Thanks. I definitely need to work on my understanding of vector notation.
But:
On that slide I posted, does the end of the acceleration equation make sense?
When ω is constant, linear speed ν is also constant. Hence, there is no at or α (angular acceleration).
But, there is ar/c which is given by ν2/r or ω2/r.
What I don't understand is why the position vector r or r(t) is repeatedly placed in there like that. It's not being multiplied with right?
Or, is it to be read as "acceleration at that position vector".
In uniform circular motion, I.e. at constant speed, acceleration is in the opposite direction to the position vector.

Acceleration is a vector, so has direction. In general acceleration will have components in both the ##\hat r## and ##\theta## directions.
 
Got you. Any good reading material on vectors and vector calculus you can suggest? A book or a website would do.
 
lightlightsup said:
Got you. Any good reading material on vectors and vector calculus you can suggest? A book or a website would do.
I like "Paul's Online Maths" for all things calculus.
 
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