Trouble with units for Spring Constant

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The discussion revolves around the units for the spring constant (K) in the context of physics, specifically addressing the relationship between work, force, and displacement. Participants are examining the conversion of units and the implications of using different representations in the context of spring mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the validity of the units for the spring constant, particularly the transition from N/m to kg/s². There is an exploration of how these units relate to work and force, with some participants expressing confusion over the correlation between different unit representations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the relationship between Newtons and the derived units, suggesting that N/m provides a more intuitive understanding of the spring constant. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with participants reflecting on their understanding of the units involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of unit conversions and the preference for simpler notations in everyday contexts, indicating a broader discussion about the practicality of using derived units versus base units in physics.

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Homework Statement
A perfectly elastic spring requires 0.54 J of work to stretch 6 cm from its equilibrium position. (a) What is its spring constant k? (b) How much work is required to stretch it an additional 6 cm? (c) How much work is required to compress the spring 6 cm from its equilibrium position?
Relevant Equations
W=1/2kx^2
I do not understand how in part a, the units for K can be N/m. If Work is in joules which is kg*m^2/s^2 and we are diving by x^2 which is m^2, then m^2 should cancel out and we should be left with kg/s^2.

Kg/s^2 makes more sense because in part b when you find the work done you are multiplying kg/s^2 * m^2 which gives you a joule.

Are the units in the work below incorrect? Or am I wrong in my explanation?

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1 Newton = 1 kg m / s2 (from F = m a)
1 Newton/m = 1 kg / s2

What's your problem? Using N/m for the spring constant units conveys a more intuitive understanding of force per unit length than kg/s2.
 
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kuruman said:
1 Newton = 1 kg m / s2 (from F = m a)
1 Newton/m = 1 kg / s2

What's your problem? Using N/m for the spring constant units conveys a more intuitive understanding of force per unit length than kg/s2.
That helps. I am not sure I just didnt correlate kg/s^2 to N/m for some reason. Your explanation makes sense. Thank you.
 
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quittingthecult said:
That helps. I am not sure I just didnt correlate kg/s^2 to N/m for some reason. Your explanation makes sense. Thank you.
This crops up in all sorts of combinations, but quite often there are ways of thinking of it that make sense of the variant representations.
Surface tension is force per unit length, or energy per unit area (surface energy).

In the present case, if you were to hang a mass from the spring and let it oscillate, the square of the period would be proportional to the mass, so you could express the spring constant as mass per period squared - though this would differ from the usual definition by a constant factor.
 
There are only 7 SI base units. All other units are derived units, only existing to simplify things, like 1 Pa is 1 kg/m/s² in SI base units. Similarly, it is a much simpler notation when I say that I have a 1 TB drive compared to a 1000000000000 B drive.

I know that I prefer to buy an electrical outlet rated at 120 V for my house rather than one rated at 120 kg.m²/s³/A (yes, this is equivalent to a volt). It makes life much easier at my local hardware store!
 

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