Trouble with units for Spring Constant

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The discussion clarifies the units for the spring constant (K), confirming that K is correctly expressed in Newtons per meter (N/m). The confusion arises from the relationship between work, expressed in joules (kg*m²/s²), and the derived unit for K. The participants agree that while kg/s² is mathematically valid, using N/m provides a more intuitive understanding of force per unit length. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of unit representation in physics, emphasizing the importance of clarity in communication.

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Homework Statement
A perfectly elastic spring requires 0.54 J of work to stretch 6 cm from its equilibrium position. (a) What is its spring constant k? (b) How much work is required to stretch it an additional 6 cm? (c) How much work is required to compress the spring 6 cm from its equilibrium position?
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W=1/2kx^2
I do not understand how in part a, the units for K can be N/m. If Work is in joules which is kg*m^2/s^2 and we are diving by x^2 which is m^2, then m^2 should cancel out and we should be left with kg/s^2.

Kg/s^2 makes more sense because in part b when you find the work done you are multiplying kg/s^2 * m^2 which gives you a joule.

Are the units in the work below incorrect? Or am I wrong in my explanation?

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1 Newton = 1 kg m / s2 (from F = m a)
1 Newton/m = 1 kg / s2

What's your problem? Using N/m for the spring constant units conveys a more intuitive understanding of force per unit length than kg/s2.
 
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kuruman said:
1 Newton = 1 kg m / s2 (from F = m a)
1 Newton/m = 1 kg / s2

What's your problem? Using N/m for the spring constant units conveys a more intuitive understanding of force per unit length than kg/s2.
That helps. I am not sure I just didnt correlate kg/s^2 to N/m for some reason. Your explanation makes sense. Thank you.
 
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quittingthecult said:
That helps. I am not sure I just didnt correlate kg/s^2 to N/m for some reason. Your explanation makes sense. Thank you.
This crops up in all sorts of combinations, but quite often there are ways of thinking of it that make sense of the variant representations.
Surface tension is force per unit length, or energy per unit area (surface energy).

In the present case, if you were to hang a mass from the spring and let it oscillate, the square of the period would be proportional to the mass, so you could express the spring constant as mass per period squared - though this would differ from the usual definition by a constant factor.
 
There are only 7 SI base units. All other units are derived units, only existing to simplify things, like 1 Pa is 1 kg/m/s² in SI base units. Similarly, it is a much simpler notation when I say that I have a 1 TB drive compared to a 1000000000000 B drive.

I know that I prefer to buy an electrical outlet rated at 120 V for my house rather than one rated at 120 kg.m²/s³/A (yes, this is equivalent to a volt). It makes life much easier at my local hardware store!
 

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