Troubleshooting Line Integrals: Finding Errors in Calculations

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting errors in the calculation of a line integral involving a vector field. Participants analyze the parametrization of the curve and the integration process, seeking to identify mistakes in the computations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the vector field and the curve, presenting their calculations for the line integral and expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their result.
  • Another participant points out that the parametrization provided does not pass through the specified starting point (0,2), suggesting a potential error in the setup.
  • A different participant challenges the integration result, indicating that the derivative of a term in the integral does not match the expected form, raising questions about the correctness of the calculations.
  • Further clarification is provided about the correct parametric equations for a line segment between two points, emphasizing the need for accurate representation of the path.
  • One participant suggests that the integral should yield a different value, proposing a new expression for the integral based on their interpretation of the path.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the parametrization and the resulting integral calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final answer, as multiple interpretations and corrections are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the parametrization of the line segment and unresolved steps in the integration process. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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Let $${\tmmathbf\vec{F} = yx^2 \tmmathbf\hat{i} + \sin (\pi y) \tmmathbf\hat{j}}$$, and let $${C}$$ be the curve along the line segment starting at (0,2) and ending at (1,4).

$${\int_C \tmmathbf\vec{F} \cdot d \tmmathbf\vec{r} =}$$

My path comes out to be:

r=ti +2tj
dr=i+2j;
F=2t^3i+sin(2*pi*t)j
Now F.dr=2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))
so
∫2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))dt=(2t^4 - cos(2*pi*t)/pi ) where t goes from 0 to 1

Note: r,dr and F are vectors.

The answer from the above computation comes out to be 1/2.

I've checked the answer and it's wrong so I've made a mistake somewhere. Could someone identify it?
 
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Let me rewrite the confusing part of my previous post:

Let F=yx^2 i + sin(pi*y) j;

and find

∫( on curve C) F.dr

Now:

My path comes out to be:

r=ti +2tj
dr=i+2j;
F=2t^3i+sin(2*pi*t)j
Now F.dr=2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))
so
∫2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))dt=(2t^4 - cos(2*pi*t)/pi ) where t goes from 0 to 1

Note: r,dr and F are vectors.

The answer from the above computation comes out to be 1/2.

I've checked the answer and it's wrong so I've made a mistake somewhere. Could someone identify it?
 
r = ti + 2tj doesn't pass through (0,2).
 
If I'm not mistaken

∫2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))dt=(1/2)(t^4)-(cos(2*pi*t)/pi)

you have =2t^4; by simply taking the derivative of this you would get 8t^3, not 2t^3.



How does r(t)=ti+2tj not pass through (0,2)? To find the vector of a line segment, it's just <x2-x1, y2-y1>, is it not?
 
Yes, but the vector is not the parametric equations.

The parametric equations of a line with direction vector <a, b> , passing through [itex](x_0, y_0)[/itex] are [itex]x= at+ x_0[/itex] and [itex]y= bt+ y_0[/itex].

The line given by it+ 2tj or x= t, y= 2t, passes through (0, 0) and (1, 2), parallel to the line in this problem.
 
hivesaeed4 said:
Let me rewrite the confusing part of my previous post:

Let F=yx^2 i + sin(pi*y) j;

and find

∫( on curve C) F.dr

Now:

My path comes out to be:

r=ti +2tj
dr=i+2j;
F=2t^3i+sin(2*pi*t)j
Now F.dr=2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))
so
∫2(t^3)+2(sin(2*pi*t))dt=(2t^4 - cos(2*pi*t)/pi ) where t goes from 0 to 1

Note: r,dr and F are vectors.

The answer from the above computation comes out to be 1/2.

I've checked the answer and it's wrong so I've made a mistake somewhere. Could someone identify it?



Some points for you to consider:

1) Learn urgently to write with LaTeX in this forum

2) The path you wrote is not a straight line between (0,2) and (1,4)...in fact, it doesn't even pass through neither of these

two points! You must know how to produce the equation of a straight line between two points in the plane.

3) After the above is done, and if I didn't make any error, you must get the integral [tex]\int_0^1\left(2t^3+2t^2+2\sin (\pi(2t+2))\right)dt=\frac{7}{6}[/tex]

DonAntonio
 
Thanks guys.
 

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