Trying to understand function transformations

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The discussion revolves around understanding function transformations, specifically how transformations affect the graphs of functions like the parent function f(x) = x². Participants explore whether these transformations are axiomatic or can be derived from geometric principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a deeper understanding of function transformations, questioning whether they are axioms or can be proven.
  • Another participant explains that adding a constant to a function translates its graph vertically, while modifying the input translates it horizontally.
  • A later reply provides a geometric explanation of horizontal translations, detailing how points on the graph are affected by such transformations.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the clarity of the explanations provided, indicating that they find the reasoning helpful.
  • There is mention of the need for a geometric background to fully understand the proofs behind these transformations.
  • One participant notes that while some properties can be proven, others may require acceptance based on intuition or foundational axioms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that function transformations can be understood through geometric principles, but there is no consensus on whether all transformations are axiomatic or if they can be derived. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the foundational aspects of these transformations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on participants' varying backgrounds in geometry and the lack of resolution on the foundational axioms versus derived properties of transformations.

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Hey guys,

This isn't a homework question but i learned about it in school. I'm trying to gain a more fundamental understanding or function transformations.

that's the typical parent function for example:

f(x)=x^2

I would move the function 3 units up, I would write it lil this:

g(x)=x^2+3
 
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So what's your question?
 
Transformations are pretty self-explanatory . . .
TransformationsOfFunctions_4_pg1.png
 
Sorry I'm having some technical difficulties posting.

I know about the transformations, but I wanted to ask if these are axioms or if they can be proven.

f(x)= x^2+3 moves the graph 3 units up. This makes sense be caus f(x)=y, but why does putting parentheses around 'x^2+3' magically make the function move 3 units to the to the left instead?

I'm asking if these are just rules that we just have to accept, or are these rule derived from something? If so, what is it?
 
pctopgs said:
Sorry I'm having some technical difficulties posting.

I know about the transformations, but I wanted to ask if these are axioms or if they can be proven.

f(x)= x^2+3 moves the graph 3 units up. This makes sense be caus f(x)=y, but why does putting parentheses around 'x^2+3' magically make the function move 3 units to the to the left instead?

I'm asking if these are just rules that we just have to accept, or are these rule derived from something? If so, what is it?

Do you mean ##g(x) = f(x+3) = (x+3)^2##?

Which means that ##g## is ##f## moved 3 units to the left.
 
pctopgs said:
Sorry I'm having some technical difficulties posting.

I know about the transformations, but I wanted to ask if these are axioms or if they can be proven.

f(x)= x^2+3 moves the graph 3 units up. This makes sense be caus f(x)=y, but why does putting parentheses around 'x^2+3' magically make the function move 3 units to the to the left instead?

I'm asking if these are just rules that we just have to accept, or are these rule derived from something? If so, what is it?

Oh no, they most definitely can be proven. But all really depends on your background. You'll need to know some geometry.

Let me pick one. Translation in general can be given by adding. So if we translate a point ##\mathbf{x}## by a point ##\mathbf{v}##, then the translation is given by ##\mathbf{x} + \mathbf{v}## (this rule can be proven too, but requires some more deeper geometry). In particular, a horizontal translation of length three means that we translate our point ##\mathbf{x}## parallel to the X-axis with length ##3##. Clearly, this kind of translation is given by ##(x,y) \rightarrow (x,y) + (3,0)##.

Now let's take a function ##f(x) = x^2##. The graph of this function consists of a collection of points, namely the points ##(x,f(x))##, so ##(x,x^2)##. Translating the graph horizontally with length three means translating every point in the graph. An arbitrary point in the graph has the form ##(x,x^2)##, which yields after translation ##(x,x^2) + (3,0) = (x + 3, x^2)##. So the translated graph consists of all points ##(x+3, x^2)##. Said differently, for every ##x##, we are given a point in the translated graph as ##(x+3,x^2)##. If we put ##z = x+3##, then ##(x+3,x^2) = (z, (z-3)^2)##. Clearly, the collection of points given by ##(x+3,x^2)## for every ##x## equals the collection of points ##(z,(z-3)^2)## for every ##z##. But the collection of points ##(z,(z-3)^2)## for any ##z## can immediately be recognized as the graph of the function ##g(z) = (z-3)^2##.

We can thus conclude that if we start from the function ##f(x) = x^2## and translate its graph horizontally with length ##3##, then we obtain the graph of the function ##g(z) = (z-3)^2##.
 
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@micromass even after taking a course entirely focused on signals, that was probably the clearest explanation I've seen for function shifting.
 
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axmls said:
@micromass even after taking a course entirely focused on signals, that was probably the clearest explanation I've seen for function shifting.

You can prove the other properties in a similar manner.

It's not a complete answer since I didn't show why ##(x,y) \rightarrow (x,y) + (a,b)## defines a translation, but I guess it's intuitively so. In the same way, you must accept that ##(x,y) \rightarrow (ax, ay)## defines a dilation. You can prove this, but then you need to start from purely geometical axioms and define translation/dilation/reflection in a suitable way. This path takes quite some time.
 

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