Trying to Understand Rotational Motion

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concepts of rotational motion, including angular acceleration, angular velocity, and torque. Participants express their struggles with grasping these concepts and seek advice on how to improve their understanding and problem-solving skills in this area.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in understanding rotational motion concepts despite reviewing video lectures and online materials.
  • One participant suggests focusing on a specific problem from the homework forum to receive targeted help and improve understanding.
  • Another participant acknowledges knowing the equations but struggles to apply them logically in problems.
  • Several participants note that they find rotational kinematics more challenging than linear kinematics, attributing this to potential language barriers or confusion with units and conversions.
  • One participant shares a specific example involving initial and final angular velocities and angular displacement, indicating a desire to relate this to kinematic equations.
  • Another participant reflects on the similarities between linear and rotational dynamics, suggesting that understanding one should facilitate understanding the other.
  • Some participants express frustration with the time it takes to ask questions and seek help for multiple problems.
  • One participant reports a sudden improvement in their ability to solve problems after reviewing their book again.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges of understanding rotational motion, but there is no consensus on the best approach to overcome these difficulties. Multiple competing views on how to tackle the learning process remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors contributing to their struggles, including the complexity of unit conversions and the need for more practice with specific problems. There are indications of unresolved issues related to the application of concepts and the clarity of problem statements.

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I am really troubling to understand the rotational motion concept.Like angular accceleration,angular velocity torque ext.I don't know, I listened my professor's video lectures, I looked some online course pdfs but I need to learn the basics and I need more basic practice for simple understanding .

Any advice ?

Thanks
 
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Arman777 said:
I am really troubling to understand the rotational motion concept.Like angular accceleration,angular velocity torque ext.I don't know I listened my prof video lectures,I look some online course pdfs but I need more basic practice for simple understanding and learning the basics.Any advice ?

What you are describing is rather vague. If we give you "advice", how are we to know if this is something that you had encountered already and, obviously, is not working.

What you should do is pick out ONE example of a problem that you cannot solve, go to the Homework forum and show what you have done, and then indicate where you got stuck. Then wait for help or queries from other members here.

Once it is solved, see if you've understood why you got stuck, and if you've understood something that you didn't before. Go find another similar problem, and try solving it. If you can, there's a good chance that you've overcome this obstacle. If not, then repeat the above.

Otherwise, we are left with some vague idea that you have problems in rotational dynamics without really any specific information on what really is the source of the issue.

Zz.
 
Arman777 said:
I am really troubling to understand the rotational motion concept.Like angular accceleration,angular velocity torque ext.I don't know, I listened my professor's video lectures, I looked some online course pdfs but I need to learn the basics and I need more basic practice for simple understanding .

Any advice ?

Thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_around_a_fixed_axis

Scroll down to "equations of kinematics"
 
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ZapperZ said:
What you are describing is rather vague. If we give you "advice", how are we to know if this is something that you had encountered already and, obviously, is not working.

What you should do is pick out ONE example of a problem that you cannot solve, go to the Homework forum and show what you have done, and then indicate where you got stuck. Then wait for help or queries from other members here.

Once it is solved, see if you've understood why you got stuck, and if you've understood something that you didn't before. Go find another similar problem, and try solving it. If you can, there's a good chance that you've overcome this obstacle. If not, then repeat the above.

Otherwise, we are left with some vague idea that you have problems in rotational dynamics without really any specific information on what really is the source of the issue.

Zz.

Well you are right.I know the all equations.Just putting them together and base them on a logic is much more harder to me for this subject (I don't know why )
 
Arman777 said:
Well you are right.I know the all equations.Just putting them together and base them on a logic is much more harder to me for this subject (I don't know why )
Look at the data. Given are the initial angular velocity, ωi=1.5 rad/s2, and the final one, ωf=0 as the wheel stops. The angular displacement is also given, θ=80π. You find the relation among the kinematic equations
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Substitute the given data and solve for t.
 
I am trying to solve the problems on my book but going terrible..I can't do..And I can't ask here one by one-takes too much time
 
Arman777 said:
I am trying to solve the problems on my book but going terrible..I can't do..And I can't ask here one by one-takes too much time

Then how are you going to learn?

You don't seem to understand what I have told you. Go to the HW forum, and ask JUST ONE question first. Try to understand where you got stuck, and how to unstuck yourself.

Then, there is a good chance that, if things click, you will learn something by solving that problem. See if you can apply that understanding to another problem. In other words, while you may have a lot of problem you can't solve now, maybe that number will be reduced AFTER you understand how to do one.

Besides, rotational dynamics is no different than the linear dynamics problem. If you can solve the latter, there is no reason not to be able to solve the former. The concept is the same, and the equations are similar!

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Besides, rotational dynamics is no different than the linear dynamics problem. If you can solve the latter, there is no reason not to be able to solve the former. The concept is the same, and the equations are similar!

Yeah right,I can solve kinematics easily but rotational kinematics comes so hard.Maybe cause of my native language,maybe I don't fully understand the questions.Ok I ll ask now
 
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Arman777 said:
Yeah right,I can solve kinematics easily but rotational kinematics comes so hard.Maybe cause of my native language,maybe I don't fully understand the questions.Ok I ll ask now

Then you are not seeing it.

This is a scan of what I have written on the white board in my class to drill into the students that rotational motion is no different than linear motion.

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If you can do linear motion problems, but you can't do rotational motion problems, then you need to figure out why you are having problems here.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
Then you are not seeing it.

This is a scan of what I have written on the white board in my class to drill into the students that rotational motion is no different than linear motion.

If you can do linear motion problems, but you can't do rotational motion problems, then you need to figure out why you are having problems here.

Zz.

I know they look all the same..I really don't know where I am doing wrong.Thanks :)
 
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I guess I understand.In kinematics its simple,m/s m/s^2 that's all. Here,rad/sec rad/min rev/s rev/min and sometimes there's angels sometimes f sometimes we convert that w and makes me confused everytime
 
  • #14
I looked my book once more and I can do most of the questions now,just amazing
 

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