Turbulent Viscosity: Definition & Effects on Flow

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The discussion centers around the concept of turbulent viscosity, its definition, and how it differs from ordinary viscosity. Participants explore the implications of flow conditions, such as laminar and turbulent flow, on viscosity and turbulent viscosity, with references to turbulence modeling and the Navier-Stokes equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definition of turbulent viscosity and its distinction from ordinary viscosity.
  • One participant mentions that turbulent viscosity, or eddy viscosity, arises in turbulence modeling and relates to the Reynolds averaging of the Navier-Stokes equations.
  • It is noted that turbulent viscosity is modeled as a new viscosity term that accounts for Reynolds stress, which represents the effect of velocity fluctuations on stress in turbulent flow.
  • Another participant emphasizes that unlike ordinary viscosity, turbulent viscosity is not a physical property of the fluid but depends on the intensity of turbulent fluctuations.
  • There are corrections regarding the spelling of "viscosity" and some participants express uncertainty about the term's origin and its application in computational fluid dynamics (CFD).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between flow conditions and viscosity, with some suggesting that turbulent conditions affect viscosity differently than laminar conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific terms and concepts such as Reynolds stress and turbulence modeling, which may require further clarification for those unfamiliar with fluid dynamics. The discussion also highlights a lack of consensus on how flow conditions impact viscosity.

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whats turbulent viscocity?How it different from viscocity?Also i read that viscocity is fluid property.So has flow condition like laminar or turbulent has any effect on viscocity?
 
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lingesh said:
whats turbulent viscocity?How it different from viscocity?
Beats me. Exactly where did you come across this term? BTW, it's "viscosity".

Also i read that viscocity is fluid property.
It is.

So has flow condition like laminar or turbulent has any effect on viscocity?
Just the opposite.

Keep reading about viscosity.
 
SteamKing said:
Beats me. Exactly where did you come across this term? BTW, it's "viscosity".It is.Just the opposite.

Keep reading about viscosity.
My senior doing CFD Analysis of a rain water filter..In the report she has given this plot of turbulence viscosity..I don't understand how its different from visosity?
 
Maybe you should ask her.
 
Turbulent viscosity, or eddy viscosity, arises in the field of turbulence modeling. When you start with the Navier-Stokes equations and perform what is typically called Reynolds averaging, you get a new equation describing the mean velocity profile of a turbulent flow. This new equation looks identical to the standard Navier-Stokes equations except for the addition of a new term with the units of stress, typically called the Reynolds stress.

The Reynolds stresses essentially represent the effect of velocity fluctuations, and therefore turbulent mixing, on the stress in the flow. Boussinesq proposed modeling the Reynolds stress with a new viscosity term that takes the same form as the normal viscous term in the equation so that the Reynolds stress term would be replaced by something a little more intuitive like a new viscosity coefficient that could be combined with the more usual viscosity.
 
boneh3ad said:
Turbulent viscosity, or eddy viscosity, arises in the field of turbulence modeling. When you start with the Navier-Stokes equations and perform what is typically called Reynolds averaging, you get a new equation describing the mean velocity profile of a turbulent flow. This new equation looks identical to the standard Navier-Stokes equations except for the addition of a new term with the units of stress, typically called the Reynolds stress.

The Reynolds stresses essentially represent the effect of velocity fluctuations, and therefore turbulent mixing, on the stress in the flow. Boussinesq proposed modeling the Reynolds stress with a new viscosity term that takes the same form as the normal viscous term in the equation so that the Reynolds stress term would be replaced by something a little more intuitive like a new viscosity coefficient that could be combined with the more usual viscosity.
To add to what Boneh3ad said, unlike the ordinary viscosity, the turbulent viscosity is not a physical property of the fluid. It depends on the intensity of the turbulent fluctuations in the fluid (i.e., the flow).

Chet
 

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