Twin paradox on another planet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the twin paradox in the context of a sci-fi narrative, specifically examining how time dilation is perceived from the perspective of different planets with varying time cycles. Participants explore the implications of special relativity and the calculations involved in determining the aging of twins under different planetary conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for travel time between two planets at 0.8c, concluding that the traveling twin ages 6 years while 15 years pass on Earth.
  • The same participant questions whether the aging calculations would change if the observer is on Planet B, which has a different day and year cycle.
  • Another participant suggests a method for converting Earth years to Planet B years, proposing that if 6 years pass on the ship, it would equate to 4.5 years on Planet B.
  • One participant challenges the initial calculations by questioning the use of a factor of 2, suggesting that the time should be 7.5 years for Earth and 4.5 years for the ship's clock for a one-way trip.
  • A later reply acknowledges the confusion regarding the factor of 2 and adjusts the calculations accordingly, leading to a new proposed aging of 5.62 years on Planet B for the one-way trip.
  • Another participant raises a point about clarity in communication, suggesting that specifying "earth-hour" or "planet-hour" could avoid confusion regarding time measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and the implications of time dilation across different planetary time cycles. There is no consensus on the final calculations or the relevance of the planetary time cycles to the twin paradox.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made in their calculations, particularly about the relevance of different time cycles and the initial factor of 2 in the travel time calculations. The discussion remains open to further clarification and exploration of these concepts.

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Hello!

I'm new here, and already did a search. Sorry if the answer is elsewhere, I just couldn't find it!

I'm writing a sci-fi novel and have been brushing up on general and special relativity.

I'm running into a small problem with the twin paradox, and how to describe it from another planets point of view. Maybe I'm not understanding it because I have the math wrong, so please bear with me.

Disregard speeding up and slowing down, Earth math goes:

if

t=2d/v

then if the travel distance between two planets is 6 light years and we are traveling at .8c, then

t=2(6)/.8c= then t=15

So 15 years of travel time @ 80% the speed of light from Earth to Planet A.

if the Lorentz factor holds
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then E=.6 as the time aged on ships clocks and and travelers age.

So the pilot of the ship would have aged 6 years, but on Earth people would have aged 15 years by the time the traveler would have reached planet A.

I'm sorry if this is incorrect. I haven't taken a physics class in a long time and I'm getting a lot of this math from wiki, and other various websites.

But if I am on Planet B, and I have 30 hours in a day, and 487 days in a year, then will all the math above still hold?

If light travels at 186282 miles per second no matter what planet one is on, and I am on Planet B trying to make sense of the twin paradox for the first time, will my traveling twin still have only aged 6 years, and I 15, planet B time?

For some reason this doesn't make sense in my head.

So I'm wondering if I'm missing something else here.
 
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I think I figured it out.

Still would like a double check though.

All I would have to do is divide:

days in a year on Earth / days in a year on Planet B

365/487 = .7494 or .75 for easiness sakes.

So if time passed on ship is 6 years, then 6 x .75 = 4.5

So if time passed on Earth is 15 years, then 15 x .75 = 11.25.

Planet B would have aged 11.25 years, for their day/night/year cycle. And according to planet B's time cycle, age on ship would have only been 4.5 years.

Correct?

And I'm assuming if Planet B has no idea of "Earth" time cycles, then a physicist greater than I will ever be would have to figure out the other stuff?
 
I don't know why you have that factor of 2 in there. It seems to me that in the earth/planet rest frame it will take 7.5 years and 4.5 years on the ship's clock.
 
ghwellsjr said:
I don't know why you have that factor of 2 in there. It seems to me that in the earth/planet rest frame it will take 7.5 years and 4.5 years on the ship's clock.

Thank you!

I think what I was doing was the factor of 2 was for the round trip I had been calculating at first, then for some reason I forgot to take it out of the equation.

So, yes, you are correct.

But then I would just 7.5 x .75 and on planet B it would see 5.62 years have passed? Correct?

Thank you for that. I've been trying to figure out why it would take so long for a one way trip! And the whole time my cheat sheet was for round trips, and not for just a straight, single distance :)
 
Now you're asking about non-relativistic issues but I don't know why you mentioned the 30-hour day if you're not going to use it in your conversion. To avoid confusion, you should always say "earth-hour" or "planet-hour" so that your audience knows what your intention is.
 

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