Two Black Holes orbiting as a binary system

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the orbital time of a binary black hole system discovered in 2009, where the black holes have masses of 1.6 × 1039 kg and 4.0 × 1037 kg, and are separated by 3.2 × 1015 m. The gravitational force equation F = GMM / r2 and the centripetal force equation F = Mw2R are utilized to derive the orbital period. The conclusion confirms that the orbital time is approximately 100 years, emphasizing the importance of distinguishing between the radius of orbit and the distance between the black holes.

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Homework Statement


In 2009, astronomers found convincing evidence of two such black holes orbiting as a binary system. From data collected, they estimated that the separation of the black holes was 3.2 × 1015 m and that their masses were 1.6 × 1039 kg and 4.0 × 1037 kg.

The black holes orbit about a point 7.7 × 1013 m from the larger mass black hole.

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Show that the orbital time of the binary system is about 100 years.

Homework Equations



F = GMM / r2

F = Mw2r

2pi/w = T

The Attempt at a Solution



I know I have to equate centripetal force to the gravitational force, then substitute the 2pi/w = T to get an expression involving the time period. However I'm just stumped on how to consider the radius in this question.
 
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Hint: The radius of the orbit circle for a given object is not the same as the distance between the objects.
 
So towards the centre point, but I'm guessing I should add the radiuses together perhaps? I'm also confused about the masses here, should I add them together too?
 
FelaKuti said:
So towards the centre point, but I'm guessing I should add the radiuses together perhaps?
Adding the radii gives you the total distance between the objects, which is a given value already.
I'm also confused about the masses here, should I add them together too?
No. How does Newton's law of gravitation work? How about centripetal force for a rotating body? Does it ever depend on anything other than the rotating body itself?

Make a quick sketch showing the circle that one of the masses describes as it orbits. What's its center and radius? How does that radius compare to the distance between the two objects? What distance matters as far as Newton's law of gravity is concerned? What distance matters as far as circular motion (centripetal force) is concerned?
 
For centripetal force it's the distance between the mass and the centre.
For Newton's law of gravitation it's the distance between the two objects.

so it should be this?

So F = Mw2R = GMm / r2
 
FelaKuti said:
For centripetal force it's the distance between the mass and the centre.
For Newton's law of gravitation it's the distance between the two objects.

so it should be this?

So F = Mw2R = GMm / r2
Yes, provided that you define r and R appropriately.
 
Got it, thanks~
 

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