Two boxes are on frictionless ramps (Speed and KE)

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The problem involves two boxes on frictionless ramps, with one box being lighter and on a steeper ramp, while the other is heavier and on a less steep ramp. The boxes are released from the same height, and the questions focus on their speeds and kinetic energies at a lower point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of mechanical energy conservation on the ramps and question the initial and final energy states of the boxes. There are attempts to relate gravitational potential energy to the problem, with some confusion about the presence of energy types.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between mass, speed, and kinetic energy, while some hints about energy conservation have been provided. There is a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the initial conditions and energy forms involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that both boxes start from the same height, which is relevant to their potential energy. Some participants express confusion about energy concepts, indicating a possible gap in understanding the principles involved.

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Homework Statement


Two boxes are resting on frictionless ramps. Box 1 is lighter and sits on a steep ramp while Box 2 is heavier and sits on ramp that is less steep. The boxes are released from the same point.

Which box (if either) has
a) The greater speed?
b) The greater kinetic energy at B


Homework Equations


Box 1 = Lighter and steeper ramp
Box 2 = Heaver and less steep ramp
Initial starting point = A
Displacement = B


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm sure its wrong. I don't really have a concise explanation.
a) Box 1 should have the greater speed because gravity will produce a greater effect on a higher slope.
b) Box 2 should have greater kinetic energy at B because it has more mass and thus can create higher momentum.
 
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Hint: Consider the fact that mechanical energy is conserved on the frictionless ramps. What can you deduce from that?
 
Doc Al said:
Hint: Consider the fact that mechanical energy is conserved on the frictionless ramps. What can you deduce from that?

Meaning there is no kinetic or potential energy present? So then neither box would be quicker than the other?
 
Koskesh said:
Meaning there is no kinetic or potential energy present?
:confused:

What's the initial energy of each box? The final energy? How do the speeds compare?
 
Hmm.. no initial energy? Marketing grad here boss, bear with me.. lol.
 
Both boxes start out at some initial height (presumably the same for both boxes) so they have gravitational potential energy. What's the expression for gravitational PE as a function of height (with respect to the ground)?
 
Work? F x D?
 
Expression for Grav. Potential energy when the body is close to the earth?
 
Koskesh said:
Work? F x D?
That is the work done by a constant force F over a displacement d.

Think about the expression for grav. potential energy..
 

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