Two Electric Dipoles-Net Charge of Zero

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two electric dipoles in empty space, each with a net charge of zero, and questions whether an electric force exists between them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Coulomb's Law and the implications of having a net charge of zero for the dipoles. There are considerations regarding the internal forces within the dipoles and how they might affect the overall interaction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of forces acting on the dipoles and the internal charge distributions. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the dipoles may interact, with no clear consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are examining the implications of the dipoles being polarized and the potential for internal charge redistribution affecting the external forces. The discussion is framed within the constraints of the homework problem and the assumptions about the dipoles' configurations.

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Hi there,
Can someone help out with this problem?
Thank you.:redface:

Homework Statement


Consider two electric dipoles in empty space. The net charge of each dipole is zero, so does an electric force exist between them?



Homework Equations


F=kq1q2/r2



The Attempt at a Solution


If I solve for F with Coulomb's equation it yields zero, but that just seems too simple.
 
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Can you show your work? It is correct to treat each dipole to be formed from two point charges of opposite polarity. It can be shown that, for particular orientations of the two dipoles, Newton's third law is not obeyed in the strong form.
 
With regard to showing my work, I used Coulomb's Law and inserted a net charge of zero which yields: Force = zero.

Would it be correct to state that the net force between electric dipoles is zero, but since they are polarized, (the positive and negative charges redistributing themselves to a certain degree, slightly more positive on one end, slightly more negative on the other.) the slightly separated internal charges create their own field resulting in the dipoles aligning themselves positive to negative.

Cheers
 
Place two dipoles on the x-y plane. Label the four charges by 1,2,3 and 4, where 1 and 2 constitute one dipole and 3 and 4 the other. Charge 1 experiences a force from 2,3 and 4. Charge 2 experiences a force from 1,3 and 4. Similarly for 3 and 4. Write explicit expressions for the force on each charge using Coulomb's law.

The resulting analysis will show that, as you pointed out, the force on, say 1 from 2 is internal and does not contribute to the net force on the dipole.
 
Thank you!
 

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