Two Identical Pendulums Connected by a Light Spring

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The problem involves two identical pendulums connected by a light spring, with their displacements expressed in terms of oscillation frequencies. The task is to show the energies of the two masses based on their displacements while neglecting the potential energy of the spring.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the derivation of the amplitude terms used in the energy equations. Some participants question the presence of time in the displacement equations and whether the terms should include it. Others suggest viewing the displacement equations in terms of rapid oscillation and modulation by a beat frequency.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the displacement equations and their implications for energy calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of frequencies and modulation, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption regarding the similarity of the frequencies, which may not be justified by the problem statement. This assumption is under discussion among participants.

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Homework Statement



Two identical pendulums of the same mass m are connected by a light spring. The displacements of the two masses are given, respectively, by xa = Acos( (w2-w1)t/2 )cos( (w2 + w1)t/2 ), xb = Asin( (w2-w1)t/2 )sin( (w2 + w1)t/2 ).

Assume that the sprint is sufficiently weak that its potential energy can be neglected and that the energy of each pendulum can be considered to be constant over a cycle of its oscillation.

Show that the energies of the two masses are are:

Ea = 1/2 m * A^2 ( (w2 + w1)/2 )^2 cos^2( (w2 - w1)t/2 )
Eb = 1/2 m * A^2 ( (w2 + w1)/2 )^2 sin^2( (w2 - w1)t/2 )

Homework Equations



Energy of simple harmonic oscillator = (1/2)mw^2 (amplitude)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



In the book's solution, it says that amplitude = A cos[ (w2 - w1)t/ 2] or A sin[ (w2 - w1)t/2 ]. Where does it get this from? What happened to the other cosine/sine term? Why is it using this particular term?
 
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want2graduate said:
The displacements of the two masses are given, respectively, by xa = Acos( (w2-w1)/2 )cos( (w2 + w1)/2 ), xb = Asin( (w2-w1)/2 )sin( (w2 + w1)/2 ).
Those are constants. Should there be some occurrences of t in there?
 
Whoops, thanks for catching that. I edited my post.
 
If the two frequencies are similar, you can view the displacement equations as a rapid oscillation (the average of the frequencies) modulated in amplitude by a beat frequency (half the difference). In that view, we can treat the beat frequency factor as a time-dependent amplitude, A(t). Applying the standard formula should then yield the result.
That said, there is nothing in the statement of the question to justify the assumption that the frequencies are so close.
 

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