Two Loops, Two Batteries: Find the Currents

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving two loops and two batteries, where the original poster attempts to find the currents in the circuit using the Junction Rule and Loop Rule.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various equations derived from the circuit analysis, including attempts to substitute one current for another and simplifying equations. Questions arise about the correctness of their manipulations and the implications of sign errors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to isolate variables and substitute them into equations. There is recognition of mistakes and attempts to correct them, indicating a collaborative effort to understand the problem better.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the cancellation of terms in their equations and the impact of sign errors on their results. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach, suggesting a need for clarification on the setup and assumptions involved.

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Homework Statement


Question: Find the current in the circuit shown.
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Homework Equations


Not sure if equations are necessary since it's a question testing the use of the following rules:
Junction Rule
The Loop Rule

The Attempt at a Solution



At Junction A: I1-I2-I3=0
At Junction B:-I1+I2+I3=0
Loop 1:15V-I3R-I1R=0
Loop 2:-9V-I2R+I3R=0

I1=I2+I3

15V-100I3-100I1=0
15/100=I3+I1=.15

-9V-100I2+I3=0
I3-I2=9/100=.09

(I3+I1)-(I3-I2)=.06
I1+I2=.06

I think I'm having a brain fart or something because it feels like I'm just messing with the problem but not seeing something that's right under my nose. Thank you for the help!
 
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Cancel one of the currents from the equations. For example, substitute I2+I3 for I1 into the first loop equation.

ehild
 
I tried what you said and got the following:
15V-I3R-(I2+I3)R=0
and when the I3R cancels out, I'm left with 15V-I2R=0 giving me I2=.15

The answers are: I1=0.070A, I2=-0.010A, and I3=0.080A

What am I doing wrong?
 
JP4Fun said:
I tried what you said and got the following:
15V-I3R-(I2+I3)R=0
and when the I3R cancels out?, I'm left with 15V-I2R=0 giving me I2=.15

The answers are: I1=0.070A, I2=-0.010A, and I3=0.080A

What am I doing wrong?

I3 does not cancel out.

ehild
 
ehild said:
I3 does not cancel out.

ehild

JP4Fun said:
I tried what you said and got the following:
15V-I3R-(I2+I3)R=0
and when the I3R cancels out, I'm left with 15V-I2R=0 giving me I2=.15

The answers are: I1=0.070A, I2=-0.010A, and I3=0.080A

What am I doing wrong?
Ah, yeah bad mistake. I got...
15V-2I3R-I2R=0
15V=2I3R-I2R
Unfortunately, I'm not seeing it haha
 
Now you have two equation with two unknowns.
15V=2I3R-I2R
-9V-I2R+I3R=0

Isolate I2 from one of them and substitute into the other one.

ehild
 
JP4Fun said:
Ah, yeah bad mistake. I got...
15V-2I3R-I2R=0
[STRIKE]15V=2I3R-I2R[/STRIKE]
Unfortunately, I'm not seeing it haha
A sign error again.
Now you have two equation with two unknowns.
15V-2I3R-I2R=0
-9V-I2R+I3R=0

Isolate I2 from one of them and substitute into the other one.

ehild
 
Ah, I got it now. Thank you very much for being patient with me.
 
You are welcome:smile:

ehild
 

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