Find I through one of three resistors in a 3-battery circuit

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit with three resistors and multiple voltage sources, specifically focusing on determining the current through a 10-ohm resistor. Participants are exploring the application of Kirchhoff's laws to solve the circuit problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Kirchhoff's loop and junction laws to find the current through the resistor but expresses confusion over the signs of the voltages in their equations. Some participants question the assumptions regarding voltage polarity and the direction of current flow.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the application of Kirchhoff's laws, particularly regarding voltage signs and current direction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of voltage sources during circuit analysis, and there seems to be a productive exchange of ideas on how to approach the problem.

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The original poster mentions that their initial calculations led to an incorrect answer, prompting requests for hints and clarification on voltage signs. There is an emphasis on understanding the conventions used in circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement


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What is the current through the 10 ohms resistor?
Is the current from left to right or right to left?

Homework Equations


Kirchhoff's loop law
Kirchhoff's junction law

The Attempt at a Solution



1) I1 = I2 + I3 ==> I3 = I1 -I2

2) -5(I1) + 12V - 10(I2) + 3V = 0
15V = 10(I2) + 5(I1)
I1 = (15V - 10(I2))/5

3) -5(I3) + 9V + 3V + 10(I2) = 0
-5(I1-I2) + 12V + 10 (I2) = 0
12V = -15 (I2) + 5 (I1)
= -15 (I2) + 15V - 10 (I2)
-3V = -25 (I2) ===> I2 = 0.12 A, from right to left.

This answer is incorrect. The correct answer is 0.36 A. Can someone please give me a hint as to what I'm doing wrong ?
 
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Check the signs of the voltages in (3).
 
Simon Bridge said:
Check the signs of the voltages in (3).
3) -5 (I3) + 9V - 3V + 10(I2) = 0
-5 ( I1-I2 ) + 6V + 10 (I2) = 0
-5 (I1) + 5 (I2) + 6V + 10(I2) = 0
6V = 5 (I1) - 15 (I2)
6V = 15V - 25 (I2)
-9V/-25 ohms = I2 = 0.36A

I got to the right answer by trial and error. I don't understand why the 3V has to be negative when the current ( I2) is flowing through it from its negative terminal to its positive one. ...Can someone please explain?
 
kamhogo said:
I don't understand why the 3V has to be negative when the current ( I2) is flowing through it from its negative terminal to its positive one. ...Can someone please explain?
The potential difference across an ideal voltage supply does not depend upon the current or the direction of the current flowing through it. When you do your "KVL walk" around the loop you add or subtract the supply voltage strictly depending upon the direction that you pass through the fixed potential difference.
 
gneill said:
The potential difference across an ideal voltage supply does not depend upon the current or the direction of the current flowing through it. When you do your "KVL walk" around the loop you add or subtract the supply voltage strictly depending upon the direction that you pass through the fixed potential difference.
Ok. I get it. Thanks!
 
What I usually do is draw potential difference arrows next to the components ... the arrow points from the low potential end to the higher potential end: so it points from negative to positive by a battery and the opposite direction to the (proposed) current by a resistor.
When I traverse the loop, I add potential differences where I go in the direction of the arrow and subtract the ones where I go against the arrow.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
What I usually do is draw potential difference arrows next to the components ... the arrow points from the low potential end to the higher potential end: so it points from negative to positive by a battery and the opposite direction to the (proposed) current by a resistor.
When I traverse the loop, I add potential differences where I go in the direction of the arrow and subtract the ones where I go against the arrow.
Thanks for the tip!
 
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