Two Masses, a Pulley, and an Inclined Plane help

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two masses connected by a pulley, with one mass on an inclined plane. The problem requires finding the ratio of the masses while considering the effects of gravity and friction.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both masses and explore the relationship between tension and acceleration. There are attempts to derive the mass ratio from the equations, with some questioning the completeness of the derived expressions.

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Some participants have provided equations and attempted to solve for the mass ratio, while others have raised concerns about missing terms in the derivation. The conversation indicates a collaborative effort to clarify the equations and identify any errors without reaching a final consensus.

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Participants are working under the assumption of an ideal pulley and are considering the effects of kinetic friction. There is an emphasis on ensuring all terms are accounted for in the equations of motion.

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Block 1, of mass m1, is connected over an ideal (massless and frictionless) pulley to block 2, of mass m2, as shown. Assume that the blocks accelerate as shown with an acceleration of magnitude a and that the coefficient of kinetic friction between block 2 and the plane is mu.

MLD_2l_2_v2_2_a.jpg



Find the ratio of the masses m1/m2.

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Let the tension in the thread be T. ok. now eq of motion of the 2 masses are...
(m1)g - T = (m1)a
T - (m2)gsin(theta) - (mu)(m2)gcos(theta) = (m2)a

Solving them by addng the two eqns u get,

m1/m2 = (g(sin(theta) + (mu)cos(theta)))/(g - a)
 
Thanks rammstein, but after inputting m1/m2, I get "aren't you missing a term?" Thanks a bunch for the help though!
 
pcmarine said:
Thanks rammstein, but after inputting m1/m2, I get "aren't you missing a term?" Thanks a bunch for the help though!

That's right. The equations of motion are correct, he just dropped a term when he solved for m1/m2. Go ahead and solve the system and see what you get.

-Dan
 
I tried setting the two equations equal to each other through T, but was unable to discover the missing term...
 
pcmarine said:
I tried setting the two equations equal to each other through T, but was unable to discover the missing term...

m_1g-T=m_1a So T=m_1g-m_1a

(m_1g-m_1a)-m_2gsin \theta-\mu m_2gcos \theta=m_2a

m_1g-m_1a=m_2gsin \theta+\mu m_2gcos \theta+m_2a

m_1(g-a)=m_2(gsin \theta+\mu gcos \theta+a)

\frac{m1}{m2}=\frac{gsin \theta+\mu gcos \theta+a}{g-a}

rammstein left out the last "a" in the numerator.

-Dan
 
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