Two masses on two inclined planes -- What is magnitude of velocity

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The problem involves two boxes of equal mass connected by a string over a pulley, resting on inclined planes with different angles. The boxes are released from rest, and the task is to determine the magnitude of their velocity after moving a certain distance, considering kinetic friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using work-energy principles and kinematics to analyze the problem. There are mentions of calculating work done by friction and the relationship between potential and kinetic energy. Some participants question the validity of converting acceleration into a specific form for integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the approaches to the problem. There is an exploration of energy conservation versus kinematic equations, and some guidance is provided regarding the calculation of work done by friction. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with the clarity of provided images and the potential impact on understanding the problem setup. There is also a mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the method of converting acceleration into a specific form.

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Homework Statement


Two boxes of equal mass m are connected by a light string over a massless pulley, and rest on surfaces of inclination θ and φ, θ>φ. The boxes are released from rest. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the boxes and the surfaces is μ. Determine the magnitude of the velocity of the boxes when they have moved distance s.

Homework Equations


W=(1/2)mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, this is rather simple question when using the work energy equations, setting the total force on each of the masses in x direction times the distance equal to 1/2 mv^2. I have gotten the right answer this way.
But I've realized that I could probably solve it using another method, which was to use integration by changing the acceleration I get into v*dv/ds.

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Sorry for the bad quality picture and I don't know how to turn it around.
But basically, I get an equation v=√[((g)(sinθ-sinφ)-μ(cosθ+cosφ))s] but when I plug it in a sample question, the velocity comes out to be a bit off.
Any help or criticism will be appreciated.
 
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What you can do is besides looking at it through a conservation of energy point of view, you could look at it using your kinematics equations. You would just need to adjust the acceleration accordingly. But your best bet seems to be using conservation of energy which is what you are using. Your picture is to blurry for me to read, but once you calculate the work done by the friction over the total span of the inclined plane, then you can subtract that from the total energy, and use the remainder to figure out the kinetic energy at the bottom since the total potential energy will be equal to the kinetic energy and work done by the friction. (P_total= K_final+W_friction)
 
I'm not sure if this is what you did, but it could be one of the approaches you could use.
 
Hi! I am very sorry for the picture quality. Yes. To me, that was the intuitive way. But the work I have shown in the picture was finding the tension for each mass, equating them and solving for acceleration. Then, I converted that acceleration into v*(dv/ds ) and then use integration in order to find the equation for v in terms of s.
Do you know if converting a into v*(dv/ds) is allowed? Because I think that is the only place where I could have possibly gone wrong.
 
I don't see how using energy balance would lead to a different equation from the one you obtained with a = v dv/ds.
 

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