Two relations between bounded variation and Riemann-Stieltjes integral

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The discussion revolves around the properties of functions of bounded variation and their relationship with the Riemann-Stieltjes integral, specifically focusing on a statement from Apostol's text regarding the sufficiency of proving a result for monotone increasing functions.

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  • Participants explore the implications of proving a statement for monotone increasing functions and question why this sufficiency extends to all functions of bounded variation. They also discuss the relationship between monotone increasing functions and functions of bounded variation, considering representations of bounded variation functions using monotone increasing functions.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions and exploring the Jordan decomposition as a means to understand the original statement. Some participants express uncertainty about specific integrals and seek clarification on the relationships discussed.

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Participants note the importance of the Jordan decomposition in the study of bounded variation and the need for clarity on the definitions and properties of the functions involved.

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I am reading Apostol's section on Riemann-Stieltjes integral and I have doubts on one statement:

Let ##α## be a function of bounded variation on ##[a,b]## and suppose ##f \in R(α)## on ##[a,b]##. We define ##F## as ##F(x)=\int_a^x f(x)dα## if ##x \in [a,b]##, then ##F## is a function of bounded variation on ##[a,b]##.

He proves this statement but in his proof he says: 'it's sufficient if we assume ##α## is monotone increasing on ##[a,b]##.

The proof (assuming ##α## is monotone increasing) is short and simple:
First he uses a theorem he proves in a previous page which says: Let##α## is monotone increasing and ##f \in R(α)## on ##[a,b]##. If ##m## and ##M## are the sup and inf of the set ##\{f(x): x \in [a,b]\}##, then there exists ##c## with ##m\leq c \leq M## such that:

##\int_a^b f(x)dα(x)=c\int_a^b dα(x)=c[α(b)-α(a)]##.

Using this, we have ##F(y)-F(x)=\int_x^y fdα=c[α(y)-α(x)]## and from here one can deduce that ##F## is of bounded variation.

I understood this proof, but I don't understand why it is sufficient to prove that the statement holds for the case ##α## monotone increasing. I don't see why it would have to hold for an arbitrary function ##α## of bounded variation such that ##f \in R(α)## if we've already proved it for ##α## monotone increasing.
 
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What is the relation between montone increasing functions and functions of bounded variation?
 
R136a1 said:
What is the relation between montone increasing functions and functions of bounded variation?

Well, he says it is sufficient to prove the statement holds in the case ##α## is a monotone increasing function. I don't see why if the statement holds for this case, then one can deduce the statement holds for an arbitrary ##α## of bounded variation (not necessarily monotone increasing).

Oh, and in my title says 'two relations...' but it's actually one statement/relation
 
mahler1 said:
Well, he says it is sufficient to prove the statement holds in the case ##α## is a monotone increasing function. I don't see why if the statement holds for this case, then one can deduce the statement holds for an arbitrary ##α## of bounded variation (not necessarily monotone increasing)

Are all functions of bounded variation also monotone increasing? If the answer is no, can you represent function of bounded variation in some way using monotone increasing functions?
 
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Are all functions of bounded variation also monotone increasing? If the answer is no, can you represent function of bounded variation in some way using monotone increasing functions?

Oh, I could express ##α=V_a^x-(V_a^x-α)##, which are two monotone increasing functions and the case reduces again to monotone increasing functions.
 
mahler1 said:
Oh, I could express ##α=V_a^x-(V_a^x-α)##, which are two monotone increasing functions and the case reduces again to monotone increasing functions.

Yes. This is called the Jordan decomposition and is very important in the study of bounded variation. Using the Jordan decomposition, do you see why Apostols statement is true?
 
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R136a1 said:
Yes. This is called the Jordan decomposition and is very important in the study of bounded variation. Using the Jordan decomposition, do you see why Apostols statement is true?

Just in case I want to check:

I suppose that ##\int_a^x f(x)dα=\int_a^x f(x)dV_a^x-\int_a^xf(x)d(V_a^x-α)## and since both ##V## and ##V-α## are monotone increasing on ##[a,b]##, then both are of bounded variation. If I call ##g(x)=\int_a^x f(x)dα=\int_a^x f(x)dV_a^x## and ##h(x)=\int_a^xf(x)d(V_a^x-α)##, then these functions are of bounded variation, and as ##F(x)=g(x)-h(x)##, then ##F## is also of bounded variation.
I said I suppose, but I don't have totally clear if ##\int_a^x f(x)dα=\int_a^x f(x)dV_a^x-\int_a^xf(x)d(V_a^x-α)##
 
That's correct. For the thing you're unsure of, you should have seen somewhere in Apostol that

\int h d(\alpha + \beta) = \int hd\alpha + \int h d\beta
 
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R136a1 said:
That's correct. For the thing you're unsure of, you should have seen somewhere in Apostol that

\int h d(\alpha + \beta) = \int hd\alpha + \int h d\beta

You've said so, I should. Now I'll look up in Apostol. Thank you!
 

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