Prove that a function is not of bounded variation

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The problem involves proving or disproving whether the function \( f(x) = x^2 \sin^2\left(\frac{\pi}{x}\right) \) for \( 0 < x \leq 1 \) and \( f(x) = 0 \) for \( x = 0 \) is of bounded variation. Participants are exploring the characteristics of the function and its behavior as \( x \) approaches 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Some participants discuss the visual evidence from graphs and the implications of "too many jumps" in the function's behavior. Others suggest estimating the positions and sizes of the maxima to assess total variation. There is also a mention of using the boundedness of the derivative as a potential proof of bounded variation.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on how to approach the proof. Some have provided guidance on estimating total variation and the implications of a bounded derivative, while others express uncertainty about the initial assumptions regarding the function's behavior.

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Participants are navigating the challenge of formalizing their intuitions about the function's variation and the implications of its graphical representation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in rigorously proving bounded variation despite the presence of infinite oscillations.

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Homework Statement .

Prove or disprove that the function ##f(x)= x^2sin^2(\dfrac{\pi}{x})## if ##0<x\leq 1## and ##f(x)=0## if ##x=0## is of bounded variation. The attempt at a solution.

I've seen the graph of this function on wolfram and for me it's clearly not of bounded variation since it has too many jumps (when ##x## approaches ##0##, ##f(x)## changes its value "too quickly"). The problem is I don't know how to prove it formally.

I've tried to prove it by contradiction: Suppose ##f(x)## is of bounded variation, then there exists ##M>0 : \sum_{k=1}^n|Δf_k|\leq M## for every partition ##π=\{x_0,...,x_n\}## of ##[0,1]##.

Which is the proper partition ##π=\{x_0,...,x_n\}## of the interval ##[0,1]## such that ##\sum_{k=1}^n|Δf_k|> M##? I need help to find the appropiate partition that would lead me to a contradiction.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .

Prove or disprove that the function ##f(x)= x^2sin^2(\dfrac{\pi}{x})## if ##0<x\leq 1## and ##f(x)=0## if ##x=0## is of bounded variation.


The attempt at a solution.

I've seen the graph of this function on wolfram and for me it's clearly not of bounded variation since it has too many jumps (when ##x## approaches ##0##, ##f(x)## changes its value "too quickly"). The problem is I don't know how to prove it formally.

I've tried to prove it by contradiction: Suppose ##f(x)## is of bounded variation, then there exists ##M>0 : \sum_{k=1}^n|Δf_k|\leq M## for every partition ##π=\{x_0,...,x_n\}## of ##[0,1]##.

Which is the proper partition ##π=\{x_0,...,x_n\}## of the interval ##[0,1]## such that ##\sum_{k=1}^n|Δf_k|> M##? I need help to find the appropiate partition that would lead me to a contradiction.

I wouldn't be so confident that just because there are 'too many jumps' that the function isn't of bounded variation. Try estimating the position and size of all of the maxima and from that estimate the total variation.
 
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Dick said:
I wouldn't be so confident that just because there are 'too many jumps' that the function isn't of bounded variation. Try estimating the position and size of all of the maxima and from that estimate the total variation.

I've seen that ##f'(x)## is bounded, and this is sufficient for the function ##f## to be of bounded variation. Is this correct?
 
mahler1 said:
I've seen that ##f'(x)## is bounded, and this is sufficient for the function ##f## to be of bounded variation. Is this correct?

Yes. If you'd followed my suggestion you would have seen that the total variation is approximately 2(2/3)^2+2(2/5)^2+2(2/7)^2+... which is a convergent series. So even though there are an infinite number of bumps, they still sum to a finite number. That's maybe hard to turn into a rigorous proof because the those maxes are only approximate. But they are a very good approximation. So, yes, the easiest way to prove it is to note f'(x) exists and it's bounded.
 
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Dick said:
Yes. If you'd followed my suggestion you would have seen that the total variation is approximately 2(2/3)^2+2(2/5)^2+2(2/7)^2+... which is a convergent series. So even though there are an infinite number of bumps, they still sum to a finite number. That's maybe hard to turn into a rigorous proof because the those maxes are only approximate. But they are a very good approximation. So, yes, the easiest way to prove it is to note f'(x) exists and it's bounded.

Yes, sorry for not following your suggestion but I found it easier to prove that the derivative is bounded. Thanks!
 
mahler1 said:
Yes, sorry for not following your suggestion but I found it easier to prove that the derivative is bounded. Thanks!

No need for apologies. I didn't mean 'prove it that way'. I just meant it to show how you can have an infinite number of jumps and still have bounded variation.
 

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