Two slits diffraction vs interference

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The discussion revolves around the differences in setups and outcomes between the Young's double slit experiment and two slits diffraction. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects of interference and diffraction patterns produced by these setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that textbooks discuss the two setups differently, but they find no significant difference in the experimental setup itself.
  • It is mentioned that diffraction in the case of two slits produces an interference pattern enveloped by a diffraction pattern, with the central bright fringe being of larger intensity in diffraction compared to interference fringes.
  • One participant suggests that the comparison made is more akin to a single-slit pattern versus a double-slit pattern rather than a direct comparison of two-slit setups.
  • Another participant explains that the interference arises from the superposition of light from both slits, influenced by path length differences, while diffraction affects the brightness of light emanating from a single slit.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of coherent light sources for producing interference patterns, with some participants arguing that Young's experiment requires a single slit to ensure coherence.
  • Participants describe how the patterns change with varying slit widths and separations, noting that closing one slit leads to a different pattern and that the envelope of the diffraction pattern spreads or narrows based on slit adjustments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the differences between the setups and outcomes of the two experiments. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain, particularly regarding the nature of the patterns produced and the requirements for coherence.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the interpretations of patterns depend on the specific conditions of the slits, such as their widths and separations, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi,

What is the difference in the setups of the Young's double slit experiment and the two slits diffraction?

I found textbooks discuss each differently, yet I found no difference in the setup.

Thanks to any help.
 
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I found textbooks discuss each differently
Where is the difference in those discussions?
 
mfb said:
Where is the difference in those discussions?
They say the diffraction in the case of the two slits produces interference enveloped by diffraction pattern. They also pointed out that for small angles, in interference we obtain bright fringes with approximately same intensity; while in diffraction the central bright fringe is of larger intensity even with small angles.
 
That looks like a comparison of a single-slit pattern with a double-slit pattern.
 
mfb said:
That looks like a comparison of a single-slit pattern with a double-slit pattern.

Here is the interference pattern with two slits:

Figure1.JPG


And here is the diffraction pattern with two slits:

Figure2.jpg


As you see, they are not the same; however, the setup of each experiment (according to my understanding) is the same.
 
The presence of two slits gives rise to interference when you take the superposition of the light that comes out of both slits. That interference is due to the difference in the path length that the light has to travel to the observation point with regard to the two slits. The interference resulting from this path length difference is periodic and is shown in your first picture. However, the light emanating from a slit is diffracted. This means that the brightness of the light emanating from a single slit decreases as you increase the angle. This is the diffraction envelope. So the actual pattern of the incident light from two slits is going to be the interference pattern scaled by the diffraction envelope as you see in your second picture.
 
You'd have to give a clearer description of the texts you're talking about, but the significance of Young's experiment was that he couldn't produce light that was coherent, as in light that was all in the same phase, with one light source that could go through both slits. Plug a lamp into a double slit experiment and see what happens, you get no interference pattern. The only reason lasers are used is because they already emit coherent light.

However, by using any light source and a single slit, you get around that problem. As the light hits the single slit, it is (of course) in phase with itself at that point. Set any two slits equidistant from that point and the light that arrives there must also be in phase, therefore produce an interference pattern.

Young's Experiment requires a single slit to be in front of the double slit, and any light source can be used. The double slit experiment does not require a single slit, as we've found other ways to produce coherent light.

Of course, correct me if I'm wrong, physicsforums denizens!
 
Born2bwire said:
The presence of two slits gives rise to interference when you take the superposition of the light that comes out of both slits. That interference is due to the difference in the path length that the light has to travel to the observation point with regard to the two slits. The interference resulting from this path length difference is periodic and is shown in your first picture. However, the light emanating from a slit is diffracted. This means that the brightness of the light emanating from a single slit decreases as you increase the angle. This is the diffraction envelope. So the actual pattern of the incident light from two slits is going to be the interference pattern scaled by the diffraction envelope as you see in your second picture.
This is a good explanation, thank you, so what is really obtained on the screen is like the second picture. Am I right?
 
The first picture needs slits with a width similar to the wavelength of light (or a very large double-slit separation and a microscope). The second picture is more realistic for real double slits.
 
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Here's the two-slit "diffraction" pattern from a previous post:

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If you close or block one slit, you would see (only) the pattern indicated by the dashed line, but with lower overall intensity because only half as much light enters one slit versus two slits. The small-scale variations (solid line) disappear.

If you gradually reduce the widths of the two slits, while keeping them the same distance apart (center-to-center), the pattern indicated by the dashed line (envelope) spreads out while the small-scale variations maintain the same width. Eventually the central maximum of the envelope "fills the field of view" so to speak, and the amplitude of the small-scale variations is nearly constant. The overall amplitude of the pattern decreases because there is less light going through the slits.

If you move the slits further apart, while keeping them the same width, the small-scale variations (solid line) become narrower, but the dashed-line envelope remains the same. If you move the slits closer together, the small-scale variations become wider, but again the envelope remains the same. When the two slits get close enough to merge, you end up with a single-slit pattern.
 
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Thank you very much.
 
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bgq said:
Here is the interference pattern with two slits:

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And here is the diffraction pattern with two slits:

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As you see, they are not the same; however, the setup of each experiment (according to my understanding) is the same.


You need to interpret this pair of pictures carefully in order not to get the wrong idea - they have different horizontal scales. It is unfortunate that the coarse variations appear about the same in the two pictures. The variations on the first picture is for the two (infinitely thin) slits but these correspond to the fine variations in the second picture. In the second picture, rapid variations correspond to wide (slit) spacing, slower variations correspond to a narrow aperture (slit width).
 
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jtbell said:
Here's the two-slit "diffraction" pattern from a previous post:

attachment.php?attachmentid=56346&d=1362437733.jpg


If you close or block one slit, you would see (only) the pattern indicated by the dashed line, but with lower overall intensity because only half as much light enters one slit versus two slits. The small-scale variations (solid line) disappear.

If you gradually reduce the widths of the two slits, while keeping them the same distance apart (center-to-center), the pattern indicated by the dashed line (envelope) spreads out while the small-scale variations maintain the same width. Eventually the central maximum of the envelope "fills the field of view" so to speak, and the amplitude of the small-scale variations is nearly constant. The overall amplitude of the pattern decreases because there is less light going through the slits.

If you move the slits further apart, while keeping them the same width, the small-scale variations (solid line) become narrower, but the dashed-line envelope remains the same. If you move the slits closer together, the small-scale variations become wider, but again the envelope remains the same. When the two slits get close enough to merge, you end up with a single-slit pattern.
You just did a great job,that's all correct.It cleared my very confusing doubt.You are a living legend.
 

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