2 slits : diffraction always "enveloppe" of interference ?

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The discussion revolves around the double-slit diffraction experiment, specifically addressing the relationship between diffraction and interference patterns. Participants explore why the diffraction pattern serves as the envelope for the double-slit interference pattern and whether this is always the case. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and interpretations of observed phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the diffraction pattern acts as the envelope for the double-slit interference rather than the reverse, noting that textbooks do not provide a justification for this observation.
  • Another participant suggests that the intensity of the double-slit interference does not decrease on the edges of the screen, implying that only the diffraction part, which has decreasing intensity, can serve as the envelope.
  • A participant explains that the width of the single-slit envelope varies inversely with the width of the slit, indicating that wider slits produce a narrower envelope, while the spacing between interference maxima varies inversely with the spacing between the slits.
  • There is a clarification regarding the requirement that the spacing between slits must be larger than the width of the slits, which is necessary for the observed patterns.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding about the spacing between slits and corrects it, noting that the distance between slits must indeed be greater than their width.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the justification for the diffraction pattern being the envelope of the interference pattern. Multiple viewpoints are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved on some aspects.

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Participants mention limitations in existing textbooks and the need for a clearer physical justification for the observed phenomena. The discussion reflects a reliance on theoretical models and assumptions that may not be universally accepted.

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In the double-slit diffraction experiment, two interferences are observed simultaneously : diffraction interference from each single-slit, and double-slit interference (where in the double-slit interference, diffraction is ignored because we considered theoretical slits way smaller than wavelength).

Intensity of the light reaching the screen behind the slits then looks like that :

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My questions are :

1 - why is it the diffraction part the envelope of the double slit interference, and not the other way around ?
2 - Is it actually always in this way only ?

I've looked at 5 textbooks (undergrad level) and none of them justifies that. They all say something like : the diffraction act as an envelope, and the corresponding equation is the product of both equations for the single-slit diffraction and for the double-slit interference together.
 
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Actually it kind of makes sense somehow because in the other way around, well, the light due to double-slit interference does not decrease in intensity on "left" and "right" of the screen. So I guess somehow, only the diffraction interference part, which has a decreasing intensity, can be the envelope. But that "somehow" is not really physical, I can't see the logical/physical justification of it.
 
The width of the single-slit envelope varies inversely with the width of the slit(s): wider slits produce a narrower envelope and vice versa. Similarly, the spacing between the interference maxima varies inversely with the spacing between the slits.

In a multiple-slit setup, the spacing between the slits (center to center) has to be larger than the width of the slits, so the spacing between the interference maxima has to be smaller than the width of the diffraction envelope.
 
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jtbell said:
The width of the single-slit envelope varies inversely with the width of the slit(s): wider slits produce a narrower envelope and vice versa. Similarly, the spacing between the interference maxima varies inversely with the spacing between the slits.

In a multiple-slit setup, the spacing between the slits (center to center) has to be larger than the width of the slits, so the spacing between the interference maxima has to be smaller than the width of the diffraction envelope.

Very clear answer, as usual, thank you !

You wrote "the spacing between the slits (center to center) has to be larger". Why does it have to be that way? If we imagine a setup with space between slits shorter than width of each slit, then the envelope would be the slits interference instead of the diffraction right?

EDIT : I just realized that when measuring the spacing between the slits center to center, indeed the distance measured that way cannot be smaller than the width of the slits. Thus, the distance between each pair of wavelet source (one in each slit) is always greater than the width of one slit. You can ignore my last question, sorry.
 

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