Two-variable functions defined on a one-dimensional subset

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The discussion revolves around the formal definition of functions that take specific values along a one-dimensional path in a two-dimensional space, particularly using delta functions. Participants explore the mathematical implications and representations of such functions, including the use of parametrization and integration involving delta functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes defining a "function" that takes specific values along a path in R², represented by points (x, p(x)), and questions the formal expression of such a function using delta functions.
  • Another participant suggests a parametrization of the curve in R² and offers a formulation involving an integral of a delta function, indicating that the integral evaluates to one when the vector lies along the path.
  • A third participant acknowledges the clarity of the second participant's response and expresses gratitude for the insight provided.
  • Another participant comments on the nature of delta functions in two dimensions, suggesting that they can be represented as products of delta functions in each dimension.

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Participants express varying interpretations of how to define and utilize delta functions in this context, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the formal definition or representation.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the formalism of delta functions in higher dimensions and the implications of their use in defining functions along specific paths.

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Hello,

it is known that by using delta-functions we can somehow assign a meaning to "functions" that take a specific value at one point, as a sort of generalization of the Kronecker delta-function in discrete domain.

Instead I would like to consider the domain R2, and formally define a "function" that takes only specific values along a one-dimensional path inside R2. This path on R2 is defined by the points [itex]\left( x,p(x) \right)[/itex], with p:R--->R.

Note: if I had had to define a function taking specific values at some specific points, I would have defined it as a finite sum of delta functions [itex]\delta (x,y)[/itex], but in this case I cannot use discrete sums of delta functions.

Is it possible to express formally such a (non-)function?
Is it allowed to do something like the following:

[tex]\int_{R^2}f(\mathbf{t})\delta(\mathbf{t}-\mathbf{p})|d\mathbf{t}| = f(\mathbf{p}) = f(x,p(x))[/tex]

where the path p is given by [itex]\mathbf{p}(x)=\left( x,p(x) \right)[/itex] , t is some position vector in [itex]R^2[/itex], and [itex]\delta[/itex] is the Dirac delta-function in 2 dimensions.Thanks!
 
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Your guess looks a bit odd - maybe it's just your notation that's not clear. If I understand correctly, you have some function, F, which is a function of a 2d vector x, and you want it to be equal to some other function, say g(x), but only along some path in the 2d space.

This is how I would probably write the function: first, I would parametrize the curve in [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex] using a parameter t. i.e., the path is some vector [itex]\mathbf{\gamma}(t)[/itex]. Then, I think one can write the function as

[tex]F(\mathbf{x}) = g(\mathbf{x})\int_{-\infty}^\infty dt~\delta(\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{\gamma}(t)).[/tex]

When the vector x lies along the path [itex]\mathbf{\gamma}(t)[/itex], the delta function in the integral "pings" and the integral is one. When x does not lie along the path, the delta function doesn't ping and the integral is zero.

This looks superficially similar to what you wrote, but note my parametrization and hence the integral is one dimensional, whereas your integral seems to be two dimensional.
 
Hi Mute!

thanks a lot! You got my question despite it was formulated in a confusing manner.
Your answer was essentially what I wanted to know.
 
Basically on two dimensional space your delta function will be a product as

δ(x−(x,p(x))) = δ(x1−x)*δ(x2−p(x))

and so on. For instance a normal delta function that is zero at the point (p,q) of two dimensional space is δ(x1−p)*δ(x2− q).

And finally, there are not delta functions :p
 

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