Two vector operations and simple expressions

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The discussion centers on simplifying a vector expression involving two vectors, s and u, represented as pi=εijksk,lul,j. Participants emphasize the need for a complete problem statement and clarify the notation used, particularly regarding the derivatives indicated by commas in the subscripts. A suggested approach involves using vector calculus identities to rewrite the expression in terms of curl operations. The conversation highlights the importance of adhering to homework guidelines and the expectation for the original poster to engage more actively in the problem-solving process. The thread underscores the complexities of vector operations and the necessity for clear communication in mathematical discussions.
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TL;DR Summary: My problems comes to a vector expression which needs to be simplified

I got an expression
piijksk,lul,j
Here s and u are two vectors. What will be the vector expression of this vector p with curl s, curl u, and other operations?
 
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BvU said:
Hello @JiWang ,
:welcome: ##\qquad## !​

Please post the complete problem statement; see https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homework-help-guidelines-for-students-and-helpers.686781/

Also, I don't see any vectors on the righthand side in piijksklulj

##\ ##
I thought that too, but on closer inspection there are commas between the subscripts in the OP. Much clearer in LaTeX: ##s_{k,l}=\partial_ls_k## and similarly ##u##. @JiWang, you should also read the LaTeX Guide.
 
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JiWang said:
TL;DR Summary: My problems comes to a vector expression which needs to be simplified

I got an expression
piijksk,lul,j
Here s and u are two vectors. What will be the vector expression of this vector p with curl s, curl u, and other operations?

Use [tex]
(\partial_j u_l) (\partial_l s_k) = \partial_j ( u_l \partial_l s_k) - u_l \partial_j \partial_l s_k.[/tex] Then you can write your expression as [tex]
\mathbf{p} = \nabla \times (\mathbf{u} \cdot \nabla \mathbf{s}) - \mathbf{u} \cdot \nabla ( \nabla \times \mathbf{s}).[/tex]
 
Can you expand them to single operations? Thanks.
 
JiWang said:
Can you expand them to single operations? Thanks.
See the homework guidelines. @pasmith has already done more than enough of your homework!
 

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