Typical calculus qn. try to solve without calculus

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two non-negative numbers that sum to 20. Participants are tasked with maximizing different expressions related to these numbers, including the sum of their squares, the product of one number's square and the other's cube, and the sum of one number and the square root of the other.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants attempt to manipulate the expressions algebraically, noting that the sum of the squares can be expressed in terms of the product of the numbers. Others question the validity of their approaches and express uncertainty about how to proceed without calculus.

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Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, with some suggesting that the problems can be solved without calculus by reducing them to quadratic equations. There is an ongoing inquiry into the reasoning behind checking endpoints in the context of optimization.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the non-negativity of the numbers and the requirement that their sum equals 20. Some participants express confusion about the implications of these constraints on their attempts to find maxima or minima.

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Homework Statement


The sum of two non-negative numbers is 20. Find the numbers (a) if the sum of their squares is to be as large
as possible; (b) if the product of the square of one number
and the cube of the other is as large as
possible; (c) if one number plus the square root of the
other is as large as possible.


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The Attempt at a Solution


a.
(x+y)(x+y)=x^2 +y^2 +2xy.
x^2 +y^2=(x+y)^2 -2xy=400-2xy<=400
Maximum would be when 2xy=0, x=0, y=20.
So is this fine or clear enough? Any better ideas?
b.
no idea. i can do it by calculus but why did my prof check at the endpoints ?
c.
no idea. i can do it by calculus but why did my prof check at the endpoints ?
 
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Legendon said:

Homework Statement


The sum of two non-negative numbers is 20. Find the numbers (a) if the sum of their squares is to be as large
as possible; (b) if the product of the square of one number
and the cube of the other is as large as
possible; (c) if one number plus the square root of the
other is as large as possible.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


a.
(x+y)(x+y)=x^2 +y^2 +2xy.
This is wrong.
For one thing, the problem is asking about how to make the sum of the squares as large as possible. What you have is the square of the sum, which is different.

For another, you have ignored the given information that the two numbers add up to 20.
Legendon said:
x^2 +y^2=(x+y)^2 -2xy=400-2xy<=400
Maximum would be when 2xy=0, x=0, y=20.
So is this fine or clear enough? Any better ideas?
b.
no idea. i can do it by calculus but why did my prof check at the endpoints ?
c.
no idea. i can do it by calculus but why did my prof check at the endpoints ?

A maximum or minimum of a function f can come at any of three places:
1) At a point where f'(x) = 0
2) At an endpoint of the domain (if f has domain restrictions)
3) At a point in the domain at which f'(x) is undefined
 
Each of those problems can be done without calculus because they all reduce to quadratic equations. And you can find the maximum or minimum by completing the square.
 
so, by the constraint you have two numbers which add up to twenty. Call one x, and the other 20-x. square both, and add.

what do you know about a quadratic that gives a maximum or minimum?
 

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