U substitution. Why -1/x^2 is my du?

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The discussion revolves around the integral ∫(1/x^(2))(3+1/x)^(3) and the application of u-substitution in solving it. Participants explore the choice of u and the corresponding du, specifically questioning the derivation of -1/x^(2) as du.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the selection of u as 3 + 1/x and the challenges in determining du. There is confusion regarding the derivative and the correct form of du, with some participants reflecting on their previous attempts and the reasoning behind their choices.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the derivative of the chosen u and its implications for du. There is an ongoing exploration of how constants affect the integral and the proper notation for expressing the integral in LaTeX. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined, particularly regarding the integration process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of including dx in the integral and express a need for clarity in the notation used throughout the discussion. There is also mention of a potential misunderstanding in the application of the chain rule and its impact on the integration process.

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Homework Statement



∫(1/x^(2))(3+1/x)^(3)

Homework Equations



U substitution is the way to go here

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is that I can't figure my du and what is next. I know which one it is but I don't know the reason for it.

u=3+1/x
du= I chose ln|x| first but that got me nowhere. My buddy told me (txt) me it is -1/x^(2) which eventually takes you to -(u)^4/4 but i can't figure out what happened in between.

thanks for the hand.
 
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BTW i just need someone to explain me how to choose du. I'm fine after that
 
PauloE said:

Homework Statement



∫(1/x^(2))(3+1/x)^(3)

Homework Equations



U substitution is the way to go here

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is that I can't figure my du and what is next. I know which one it is but I don't know the reason for it.

u=3+1/x
du= I chose ln|x| first but that got me nowhere. My buddy told me (txt) me it is -1/x^(2) which eventually takes you to -(u)^4/4 but i can't figure out what happened in between.

thanks for the hand.
(Use the superscript, X2, icon for exponents.)
First of all, it's a big help to include the dx with your integral:

∫(1/x2)(3+1/x)3 dx

It can look even better in LaTeX .

## \displaystyle
\int \frac{1}{x^2}\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)^3\, dx
##

What is the derivative of ## \displaystyle \left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)^3 \ ?##

(That won't give the answer directly, but it may lead you to it.)
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alright, with the chain rule I get 3(3+1/x)^2*-1/x^2

-1/x^2 would be my du then. (I was deriving it wrong before) so now that I have this minus sign I put it outside the Integrate sign. after that I'm good. Thanks!

So if instead of a -1 i would have a 3 do I deal with it as if it were k and put it outside of the integral?

BTW I've just downloaded LaTex
 
PauloE said:
alright, with the chain rule I get 3(3+1/x)^2*-1/x^2

-1/x^2 would be my du then. (I was deriving it wrong before) so now that I have this minus sign I put it outside the Integrate sign. after that I'm good. Thanks!

So if instead of a -1 i would have a 3 do I deal with it as if it were k and put it outside of the integral?

BTW I've just downloaded LaTex

You can always move a constant outside of an integral. And you didn't need to download LaTex. It's built into this site. Try looking here https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3977517&postcount=3
 
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[itex]∫(1/x^2)(3+1/x)^3[\itex] test[/itex]
 
PauloE said:
[itex]∫(1/x^2)(3+1/x)^3[\itex] test[/itex]
[itex] <br /> [itex]∫(1/x^2)(3+1/x)^3[/itex] The slash in front of \itex is in the wrong direction. It should be /itex.[/itex]
 
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PauloE said:
alright, with the chain rule I get 3(3+1/x)^2*-1/x^2

-1/x^2 would be my du then. (I was deriving it wrong before) so now that I have this minus sign I put it outside the Integrate sign. after that I'm good. Thanks!

So if instead of a -1 I would have a 3 do I deal with it as if it were k and put it outside of the integral?

BTW I've just downloaded LaTex

You don't seem to like dx !

du would be -1/x2dx , multiplied by some constant.

Since you end up with (3+1/x)2 , and you need (3+1/x)^3, you must need to start with a different power on the (3 + 1/x) factor.
 
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SammyS said:
You don't seem to like dx !

du would be -1/x2dx , multiplied by some constant.

Since you end up with (3+1/x)2 , and you need (3+1/x)^3, you must need to start with a different power on the (3 + 1/x) factor.

true, I have to pay more attention with writing dx

My final answer is:

[itex]-((3+1/x)<sup>4</sup>/4) + c[/itex]

thanks for the help!
 
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PauloE said:
true, I have to pay more attention with writing dx

My final answer is:

[itex]-((3+1/x)<sup>4</sup>/4) + c[/itex]

thanks for the help!
You can't mix LaTeX with the <sup> tags. Here's what you wrote, fixed.
##-((3 + 1/x)^4/4) + C##

My LaTeX script looks like this:
-((3 + 1/x)^4/4) + C
 
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PauloE said:
true, I have to pay more attention with writing dx

My final answer is:

[itex]-((3+1/x)<sup>4</sup>/4) + c[/itex]

thanks for the help!

Right, [itex]-((3+1/x)^4/4) + c[/itex]. If you are wondering why it didn't TeX, don't use the shortcut superscripts and stuff inside Tex. Use ^ to get superscripts.
 
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[itex]-((3 + 1/x)^4/4) + C[/itex] let's see now

Thank y'all for the help
 

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