Unable to simplify dS (Stokes' theorem)

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The discussion revolves around applying Stokes' theorem to integrate over a cylindrical surface and a plane surface at a 45-degree angle. The normal vector is identified as (1, 1, 0)/√2, leading to a simplified integral expression involving the curl of a vector field. The challenge arises in finding a suitable function g(u, v) to cover the surface area, complicating the calculation of the normal vector and the Jacobian. An alternative approach is suggested, utilizing an affine transformation to represent the surface as an ellipse, which may simplify the integration process. The conversation emphasizes the difficulties encountered in variable substitution and the potential for geometric transformations to streamline the solution.
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Homework Statement
Calculate the line integral along the curve created by the intersection of surface B and C, over the vector field A, using stokes theorem.

A = (yz + 2z, xy - x + z, xy + 5y)
B: x^2 + z^2 = 4
C: x + y = 2
Relevant Equations
Stokes Theorem
Basically surface B is a cylinder, stretching in the y direction.
Surface C is a plane, going 45 degrees across the x-y plane.

Drawing this visually it's self evident that the normal vector is
$$(1, 1, 0)/\sqrt 2$$
Using stokes we can integrate over the surface instead of the line.
$$\int A(r) dr = \iint rot A \cdot n dS $$
$$\iint (x + 4, 2, y - z - 1) \cdot (1, 1, 0) /\sqrt 2 dS= \frac 1 {\sqrt 2} \iint x + 6 dS$$

Seems extremely simple to solve, except now I'm forced to find a good function g(u, v) that covers the area S.
Assume I find such a funciton, I need to either calculate the normal vector by doing ##g'u \times g'v##
or find the non-existant jacobian. Since |d(x, y, z)/d(u, v)| is not a square matrix that would result in a single scalar number.

I just get stuck here. It's so SIMPLE, yet replacing a single variable x causes such headaces I never get it right.
Is there a simple way of solving the integral without digressing into g(u,v) and it's derivatives?
 
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Given x^2 + z^2 = 4, the obvious choice would be (x,y,z) = (u\cos v, y(u,v), u\sin v).
Calculating the cross-product of the derivatives is straightforward, but there is another way.

On geometric grounds, the surface is an ellipse; there must therefore exist an affine transformation \mathbf{x} = A\mathbf{X} + \mathbf{b} where A is orthogonal such that the surface is given by \mathbf{X}(r,\theta) = (ar\cos \theta, br\sin \theta, 0) for some constants a > 0 and b > 0. The area element is then dX\,dY = abr\,dr\,d\theta. Why not try finding such a transformation (which is not unique)?

I leave it to you to judge whether this was simpler than calculating a cross-product of derivatives.
 
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