Unanswered Relativity Questions: Spin, Paradoxes, and Instantaneous Light?

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The discussion revolves around concepts in relativity, specifically addressing questions related to the effects of spinning objects at relativistic speeds, the twin paradox, and the nature of light travel. Participants explore the implications of these concepts and their underlying principles.

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  • Participants raise questions about the feasibility of spinning a large wheel at relativistic speeds and the resulting physical effects. They also inquire about the twin paradox and whether traveling in circles would yield similar aging effects. Additionally, there is a question regarding the implications of light traveling at the speed of light and the concept of time from a photon's perspective.

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Some participants provide insights into the nature of rigidity in relativity and clarify misconceptions about the twin paradox, noting that acceleration plays a crucial role. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these concepts, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants are navigating complex ideas in relativity, with some assumptions about the nature of speed, time, and light being questioned. The discussion is framed within the context of homework help, indicating a focus on understanding rather than providing definitive answers.

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I've been researching relativity out of interest for a while now. I am quite fammiliar with most of the basic principals. But I have a few questions,

1)If there was a large wheel with about the same circumference of the earth, and you managed to spin in it so that the edge of the wheel was traveling at near the speed of light relative to the center (so it was spining 7rps), what effects would we see happening? And if its impossible to reach the speed of light because you'd need an infinite amount of energy, would it therefore be impossible to make is so the inside of the wheel was turning at a speed that would insure the edge is traveling at the speed of light?

2)With the twin paradox, the twin in space ages less because of the relativistic doppler shift which relies on traveling in the right direction to work. What if you were to make that twin blast off and just travel in circles at great speeds, would we see the same effects?

3)If photons travel at the speed of light relative to everything, then shouldn't all time stop therefore making light from one source to an object instantaneus?
 
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1)If there was a large wheel with about the same circumference of the earth, and you managed to spin in it so that the edge of the wheel was traveling at near the speed of light relative to the center (so it was spining 7rps), what effects would we see happening? And if its impossible to reach the speed of light because you'd need an infinite amount of energy, would it therefore be impossible to make is so the inside of the wheel was turning at a speed that would insure the edge is traveling at the speed of light?

You certainly couldn't make any point on the wheel move at the speed of light, but there's something subtle that you're missing. In relativity the rigidity of an object is relative. Objects that are perfectly rigid in one frame are not rigid in any other frame. If a wheel that is rigid in its own rest frame starts rotating in some other frame, then in that latter frame the spokes aren't straight radial lines anymore.

2)With the twin paradox, the twin in space ages less because of the relativistic doppler shift which relies on traveling in the right direction to work. What if you were to make that twin blast off and just travel in circles at great speeds, would we see the same effects?

The relativistic doppler shift is not used to explain the twin paradox. But yes, you would see the same type of effect if one twin traveled in a circle and then returned.

3)If photons travel at the speed of light relative to everything, then shouldn't all time stop therefore making light from one source to an object instantaneus?

Relativity does not answer this question. In relativity the rest frame of the photon is not defined. So if you ask what happens in the rest frame of the photon, you are outside of the scope of relativity.
 
Thanks. What does explain the twin paradox then? I heard it was the realtivistic dopple shift effect.
 
to explain the twin paradox so that it's not a paradox anymore,
you have to include the acceleration of the traveling twin.
So the twin paradox is not generally explained in special relativity.

I recommend the "Special and General Relativity Forum" for this topic
(which they put under the Astronomy and Astrophysics category).
 

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