Unconstant permitivity between two charges

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The discussion centers on the complexities of calculating the dielectric constant between two charges when the permittivity is not uniform. It questions whether the dielectric constant used in force equations should be an average or if a more precise method is necessary, especially when materials with different dielectric properties, such as a plastic sheet in water, are involved. The conversation highlights that the electric field's behavior is influenced by induced dipoles in the dielectric materials, which can lead to some field lines being "lost" or redirected. It emphasizes that the relationship between the electric field intensity and the electric displacement vector must be considered, particularly at the boundaries of different dielectrics. The challenge lies in accurately modeling the electric field in such scenarios, as simple averaging may not suffice due to the complex interactions at the interfaces.
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Unconstant permittivity between two charges

Is the dielectric constant used in the force equations for two charges an average of the dielectric constant between the charges?

What dielectric constant would be used in the equations if the dielectric constant changes over the volume between the charges?

For instance, what if an infinite sheet of plastic with some thickness (less than the distance between the charges) was placed between two charges in an infinite volume of water?

I doubt it's simply the average over the distance because I would think some field lines would be "lost" in the plastic.
 
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You can cast the basic equation with a Permeability which varies with position. Then given a function which gives the value at each position you can use integration to get the final result. If there is a well defined boundary you can break the problem into pieces over each region. You will need to match boundary values where the medias meet.
 
hrmm...I don't I understand how the integral would be applied :-\

For a constant permeability, wouldn't the integral go to infinity since each step would be a constant value? Otherwise, wouldn't it just be taking the average over a distance?

I don't think I get it :redface:
 
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brandon.irwin said:
Is the dielectric constant used in the force equations for two charges an average of the dielectric constant between the charges?

What dielectric constant would be used in the equations if the dielectric constant changes over the volume between the charges?

For instance, what if an infinite sheet of plastic with some thickness (less than the distance between the charges) was placed between two charges in an infinite volume of water?

I doubt it's simply the average over the distance because I would think some field lines would be "lost" in the plastic.

You are right, it will not be the average. The problem of calculating the electric field around point charges in media with changing dielectric constant is very complicated except for some very symmetrical problems. You know, the electric field induces dipoles in the insulators, they arrange themselves into dipole chains, and some of the electric field lines "are lost" in this way. On the other hand, the terminals of the dipole chains at the surface of the dielectric body behave as surface charges. The field of these charges contributes to the field of the free charges outside the insulator. You certainly know that in the presence of dielectric bodies you have the vector of electric displacement D whose divergence is equal to the density of free charges. The relation between the electric field intensity E and the vector of electric displacement D is \B{D} =\epsilon\B{E}, ([\epsilon is called the dielectric constant or the permittivity of the medium.) At the boundary between two different dielectrics the normal component of the electric displacement is the same at both sides of the boundary, and so are the tangential components of the electric field. It is the number of lines of the electric displacement which are not "lost" at the boundary, but they change direction like the light beam at refraction across the boundary between two media.

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It may be shown from the equations of electromagnetism, by James Clerk Maxwell in the 1860’s, that the speed of light in the vacuum of free space is related to electric permittivity (ϵ) and magnetic permeability (μ) by the equation: c=1/√( μ ϵ ) . This value is a constant for the vacuum of free space and is independent of the motion of the observer. It was this fact, in part, that led Albert Einstein to Special Relativity.
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