Uncovering the Physics of Horseshoe Pitching Impact

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physics of horseshoe pitching, specifically the impact dynamics when a thrown horseshoe strikes a stationary stake. Participants explore how the shape of the horseshoe and the angle of impact influence the outcome of the collision, including potential bounce directions and rotational effects. The conversation includes considerations of mathematical modeling, material properties, and practical design implications for different pitching scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about software or methods to analyze the impact of a horseshoe on a stake, emphasizing the need to understand how shape and arrival direction affect the collision.
  • Another participant suggests that while software may be limited, mathematical calculations could provide insights, though they would be complex.
  • A participant expresses interest in how the horseshoe's shape influences the bounce direction and whether the distribution of weight affects rotation upon impact.
  • There is a proposal that approximating the impact dynamics is feasible if mass distribution and friction coefficients are known, and that computer simulations could be utilized for predictions.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of hiring a professional to conduct detailed simulations using specialized software like ABAQUS Explicit or LS-DYNA to predict collision behavior accurately.
  • A participant shares their design considerations for horseshoes aimed at different demographics, noting challenges with bounce-back effects and the impact of different pitching surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of certainty regarding the feasibility of predicting impact outcomes. While some suggest that simulations could yield accurate results, others acknowledge the complexity involved in the calculations and the need for professional expertise. No consensus is reached on the best approach to determine the friction coefficients or the precise impact dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their ability to conduct simple calculations and the dependence on specific material properties, such as friction coefficients, which remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the variability in pitching conditions and the design challenges faced by different user groups.

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Good Afternoon, all...

I am trying to locate software or explanation of what happens when a thrown object hits a stationary object. Specifically, how to determine what will happen when a professional pitching horseshoe hits the stake. I am trying to determine how the shape of the shoe and direction of arrival dictates what happens at impact. Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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That's a pretty general question. Do you have anything specific that might make it easier?
 
Well I doubt there is any software you can buy, not that there is not any. You could figure it out mathematically, how ever you would probably need 2 and 1/2 chalkboards to write it all out. Can I ask why you seek this information?
 
Yes, I want to know how the shape of a horseshoe determines what happens when it hits the stake. I want to know how to determine what happens at first impact and how the shape affects the result. For instance, does the precise instance of impact dictate it's bounce off direction or will sliding along it's perimeter dictate it's direction? If I know the precise percentage of weight to the left and right of impact, does that simplify a formula for rotation? Short of producing a horseshoe and witnessing the results with slow motion video, can I predict beforehand what will happen? Thanks
 
You could approximate what would happen to an accurate degree. You would need to know the mass distribution of the horseshoe and the friction coefficients between the shoe and the stake, but a computer simulation would be possible.
 
Thank You...I should be able to determine the mass at any given point on the perimeter
of the horseshoe since I design the shoe with software and monitor the cubic volume for each quadrant. I have no clue as to the friction coefficients. I would be working with a steel 1" stake and 2 pounds 8 ounces of ductile iron for the horseshoe. I also know the arrival speed at impact. How would I go about determing the friction coefficients? Each quadrant of the shoe weighs 10 ounces and the center of gravity is precisely halfway from top to bottom and side to side. Regards
 
TS, going off of what you said in post#4, it sounds like the information that you are seeking is not really going to be attainable by some back-of-the-envelope hand calc. If you were to hire a professional (someone who does drop-test simulations, designs golf club heads, etc.) to do this for you, they would use ABAQUS Explicit, LS-DYNA, or similar, to predict the precise behavior of the horsehoe and the stake at any instance in time during or after such a collision. The materials involved here are simple (with the exception of the dirt..) and common, and the impact is not severe, so I'd expect such a prediction to match reality pretty much perfectly.
 
Thank You, afreiden...appreciate your suggestions. I would be happy just to determine the result after the first collision. I design for elders, women and youth who pitch from 30 feet and are forced to flip the shoe as opposed to turning. The squareness of arrival tends to cause the shoe to bounceback off the stake. Professional tournaments are generally pitched in clay and once the shoe hits the clay it sticks. I am trying to determine the best choice for designing the inner perimeter to reduce the straight back bounceoff. I have several videos on YouTube that shows one design that works well, but, is difficult to throw based on it's shape.
If you should happen to know any professional mentioned willing to work "pro bono" I'm interested. Thank You for your suggestions.
 
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