Understanding a Complex Math Equality: Cosine and Cubic Functions Explained

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical equality involving cosine and cubic functions, specifically the expression relating cosines and the arccosine function. Participants are exploring the validity and implications of this equality in the context of complex numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equality by relating it to trigonometric identities and cubic equations. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the variables and their interpretations, particularly the use of z as both an angle and a cosine value.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications and corrections to the original poster's reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the equality and the relationships between the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be confusion regarding the definitions and roles of the variables, particularly z, which is being used in multiple contexts. This has led to questions about the validity of certain steps in the reasoning process.

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Homework Statement


I found this equality in the thread https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=407130"
<br /> cos\left(\frac{1}{3}arccos(z)\right) = \frac{\left(z + \sqrt{z^2-1}\right)^{1/3}}{2} + \frac 1 {2\left(z+\sqrt{z^2-1}\right)^{1/3}} <br />
and I'd like to know how it works.

Note: I haven't studied this, but I do know about complex numbers and I got some hints from that thread on what to do.

The Attempt at a Solution


First of all, I assumed it was true.

For the left side of the equality, let y=cos\left(\frac{1}{3}arccos(z)\right)

so z=cos\left(3arccos(y)\right)

by trig identities, cos\left(3arccos(y)\right)=4y^3-3y

So the solutions to y=cos\left(\frac{1}{3}arccos(z)\right) are the solutions (not exactly sure which of the 3) to the cubic 4y^3-3y-z=0

and now taking the right side, y=\frac{\left(z + \sqrt{z^2-1}\right)^{1/3}}{2} + \frac 1 {2\left(z+\sqrt{z^2-1}\right)^{1/3}}

z+\sqrt{z^2-1}=cos(z)+isin(z)

simplifying this gives y=cos(z/3)

So hence for this equality to be true, 4\left(cos(z/3)\right)^3-3\left(cos(z/3)\right)-z=0 for all z, but this isn't the case.

Please help me understand this more :smile:
 
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Hi Mentallic! :smile:
Mentallic said:
So hence for this equality to be true, 4\left(cos(z/3)\right)^3-3\left(cos(z/3)\right)-z=0 for all z, but this isn't the case.

You mean 4\left(cos(z/3)\right)^3-3\left(cos(z/3)\right)-cos(z)=0, which is true …

just expand cos(z/3 + 2z/3). :wink:
 


But z=cos\left(3arccos(y)\right)

and cos\left(3arccos(y)\right)=4y^3-3y where y=cos\left(\frac{1}{3}arccos(z)\right)

So shouldn't it then be 4y^3-3y=z ?

Yeah if I change it to cos(z) it works, but I still don't see where I've gone wrong.
 
You're interchangeably using z as an angle and as a cosine.

In particular, your …
Mentallic said:
z+\sqrt{z^2-1}=cos(z)+isin(z)

isn't true. :wink:

(unless cosz = z)
 


Oh of course... :blushing:
 

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