Understanding Astrophysics/Cosmology

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The discussion revolves around the prerequisites and foundational knowledge necessary for understanding astrophysics and cosmology. Participants explore the connections between various areas of physics, including classical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and thermodynamics, and their relevance to astrophysics. The conversation touches on both personal learning goals and the broader implications of studying these subjects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to understand astrophysics but feel they lack connections to the necessary physics concepts, particularly in quantum mechanics.
  • There is a suggestion that introductory courses in electromagnetism (EM) and mechanics may be beneficial before tackling rigorous astrophysics.
  • One participant notes that astrophysics touches on various aspects of physics, including quantum mechanics, electromagnetism, mechanics, and thermodynamics.
  • Questions arise regarding the usefulness of EM in astrophysics, with mentions of its relevance to the magnetic fields of stars and other astrophysical phenomena.
  • Participants discuss the varying levels of astrophysics knowledge, questioning whether the study is for casual interest or professional aspirations.
  • It is noted that while a full understanding of all traditional undergraduate topics may not be necessary for casual study, having a foundational knowledge can aid in comprehending astrophysics literature.
  • One participant expresses a personal goal of achieving a professional level of knowledge in astrophysics, despite not pursuing it as a career.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of foundational physics knowledge for understanding astrophysics, but there are varying opinions on the extent of knowledge required and the specific areas of focus. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning astrophysics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the interconnectedness of topics in physics education, indicating that different subjects build upon one another, which may complicate the learning path for astrophysics. There is also uncertainty about the specific prerequisites needed for different areas within astrophysics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in self-study of astrophysics and cosmology, particularly those seeking to understand the foundational physics concepts that underpin these fields.

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I have a deep interest in science. My main subject of interest however is astrophysics/cosmology. I have https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691125848/?tag=pfamazon01-20. The mathematics used are simple, single variable calculus and some ODEs, although, on the physics aspect, I feel that I'm missing the connections. Especially the quantum mechanics. I've never read a science textbook on anything else besides some basic classical physics.

I'm thinking about going through classical electrodynamics, quantum mechanics and then some particle physics. Maybe after all of that I can learn some real astrophysics (and cosmology).

Would all of that be necessary to truly understand it all? I still have an interest in physics but I'd rather learn about the cosmos first, then learn more in-depth physics.
 
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Stratosphere said:
I have a deep interest in science. My main subject of interest however is astrophysics/cosmology. I have https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691125848/?tag=pfamazon01-20. The mathematics used are simple, single variable calculus and some ODEs, although, on the physics aspect, I feel that I'm missing the connections. Especially the quantum mechanics. I've never read a science textbook on anything else besides some basic classical physics.

I'm thinking about going through classical electrodynamics, quantum mechanics and then some particle physics. Maybe after all of that I can learn some real astrophysics (and cosmology).

Would all of that be necessary to truly understand it all? I still have an interest in physics but I'd rather learn about the cosmos first, then learn more in-depth physics.

The thing about Astrophysics is that in touches on nearly all aspects of Physics. I've used bits of QM, EM, Mechanics, Thermo. etc. all the time. However, I don't have a deep understanding of any of these subjects (I'm a math major with a physics minor). My suggestion: since I don't know your education level/background, it might be best to wait until you've at least had introductory courses in EM and Mechanics before trying to tackle rigorous Astrophysics. At least, that's all I have and the class is going pretty smoothly.
 
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Newtime said:
The thing about Astrophysics is that in touches on nearly all aspects of Physics. I've used bits of QM, EM, Mechanics, Thermo. etc. all the time. However, I don't have a deep understanding of any of these subjects (I'm a math major with a physics minor). My suggestion: since I don't know your education level/background, it might be best to wait until you've at least had introductory courses in EM and Mechanics before trying to tackle rigorous Astrophysics. At least, that's all I have and the class is going pretty smoothly.

I should probably touch up on some mechanics, then maybe go through some EM? I actually haven't used any E&M. Only QM. What is EM useful for in astrophysics? The magnetic field of stars?
 
Stratosphere said:
I should probably touch up on some mechanics, then maybe go through some EM? I actually haven't used any E&M. Only QM. What is EM useful for in astrophysics? The magnetic field of stars?

Yes and in particular of neutron stars. I suppose mechanics would be the most useful, then QM and thermo. and what not.
 
What level of astrophysics knowledge are you aiming for? Is this just for fun, or are you aiming to eventually do this professionally?

As Newtime said, astrophysics (like condensed matter, nuclear physics, etc.) uses all areas of "basic" physics. When you start seriously approaching cosmology, for example, you need quantum and statistical mechanics to do early universe stuff. Of course you don't need anywhere near all of what's taught in the traditional undergraduate curriculum to approach a given area of astrophysics, but it's hard to build a list of specific topics; different topics build off of one another in the course of an undergrad education, and combine to produce the physical intuition and mathematical background needed to pick up new topics as necessary.

If you're just doing this at a (serious) casual level, then you don't need full courses in, say nuclear physics, or even the more basic subjects. But you'll have a much harder time reading an astrophysics book and realizing what specific subject you need to go study in order to understand a particular topic.

Stratosphere said:
What is EM useful for in astrophysics? The magnetic field of stars?

Radiative transfer, magnetohydrodynamics (star formation, galactic structure, etc.), emission and absorption in a host of astrophysically relevant environments, and many other topics.
 
JDGates said:
What level of astrophysics knowledge are you aiming for? Is this just for fun, or are you aiming to eventually do this professionally?

As Newtime said, astrophysics (like condensed matter, nuclear physics, etc.) uses all areas of "basic" physics. When you start seriously approaching cosmology, for example, you need quantum and statistical mechanics to do early universe stuff. Of course you don't need anywhere near all of what's taught in the traditional undergraduate curriculum to approach a given area of astrophysics, but it's hard to build a list of specific topics; different topics build off of one another in the course of an undergrad education, and combine to produce the physical intuition and mathematical background needed to pick up new topics as necessary.

If you're just doing this at a (serious) casual level, then you don't need full courses in, say nuclear physics, or even the more basic subjects. But you'll have a much harder time reading an astrophysics book and realizing what specific subject you need to go study in order to understand a particular topic.

I'm actually doing this for my self. I've always been really curious about the universe. I'm not doing this for a living, though I'd like to have as close to a professional knowledge as possible.

This isn't the only subject I like to learn about, I've made a challenge to see how much I can learn in a life time.
 

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