Understanding Ball Deformation in Collisions: A Microscopic vs. Macroscopic View

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the deformation of a ball during collisions, specifically contrasting microscopic and macroscopic perspectives. Participants explore the implications of material properties on deformation outcomes and consider the potential for programming simulations of such collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a beginner's interest in understanding how a ball changes shape upon colliding with a wall, seeking resources that cover both microscopic and macroscopic views of deformation.
  • Another participant notes that the outcome of a collision can vary significantly based on the material of the ball, ranging from no damage to permanent deformation or fracture.
  • A participant focuses on tennis balls, suggesting that they likely do not undergo permanent significant deformation during collisions.
  • There is a mention of a professor at the University of Illinois who conducts research on baseball physics, with a suggestion that his work may provide insights into ball deformation.
  • One participant highlights the elasticity of hollow balls like tennis balls, comparing their behavior during collisions to that of springs, and contrasts this with solid objects that may not exhibit elastic collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the variability of deformation outcomes based on material properties, but there are differing views on the specifics of deformation for different types of balls, such as tennis balls versus solid objects.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about material properties and deformation mechanisms are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of calculating deformation through differential equations.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the physics of materials, collision dynamics, and those looking to develop simulations related to ball deformation in collisions may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi

Firstly I'm begginer level at physics, but I'm thinking for days about this problem:
how change tha ball shape when it collide with a wall.
I'm looking for books etc on the net, i found several about deformation but all i found
are very short. The best is write about usually the compute the deformation are two way
microscopic and the simpler is a macroscope/fenomelogy view. This book mentioned whan i
would like to calculate the deformation of shape i have to calculate some motion differential
equations but this is very complicated. So I'm looking for books which include more about this..
(Sorry i read this book in hungarian so maybe my translate is not correct so I'm looking for the
correct english words about this problem)
 
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Essentially if you make a ball collide with a wall a few things could happen. Depending on the material of the ball it could have things ranging from no damage, to permanent significant deformation, to maybe even fracture. It just depends on the materials that compose the ball.
 
Thank you for your answer :)

So I'm thinking about tennis ball, so i think no permanent significant deformation.

So maybe, my goal is making a program with slow motion about the collide.
 
Ah, well I don't really have anything else in terms of actual data, however there is a professor at the University of Illinois that does some research on the physics of baseball, perhaps that's a good place to start. I think he also wrote a book about it part of which I think is dedicated to the deformation of the ball and the effects of it.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that hollow balls that bounce, like tennis balls, owe much of their elasticity to their tendency to return to their undeformed shapes like a spring would. If you smash two sliders on a linear air track together, they won't tend to have an elastic collision. But put springs on them and you will.
 

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