Pressurized containers: Stress distribution and large displacements

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Juanda
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Mechanics of materials
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of pressurized vessels, specifically focusing on a pressurized sphere. Participants explore the stress distribution within the sphere, the implications of large displacements, and the relationships between strains and stresses in spherical coordinates. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and mathematical derivations relevant to mechanics of materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to derive the stress distribution in a pressurized sphere without assuming constant stress across its thickness.
  • Another participant inquires about the principal strains in terms of radial displacement, suggesting that the strain tensor can be diagonalized under specific conditions.
  • There is a clarification regarding the need for spherical coordinates instead of cylindrical ones for the analysis of strains and stresses.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between principal stresses and strains, referencing equations that may apply in Cartesian coordinates but are uncertain about their applicability in spherical coordinates.
  • One participant proposes a stress equilibrium equation and discusses boundary conditions relevant to the problem.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the origin of the stress equilibrium equation and its derivation under specific assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions needed for stress distribution and the applicability of certain equations in spherical coordinates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive the stress distribution without constant stress assumptions and the implications of large displacements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by large displacements and the need to account for changing thickness in the sphere as it expands. There is also mention of the limitations of applying certain equations across different coordinate systems.

  • #61
Chestermiller said:
make use of cos^2+sin^2 = 1 please
But ##J \neq D##. How could I use it?
$$\lambda^2=\overbrace{\left[1 +2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]}^J\cos^2{\alpha}+
\overbrace{\left[1+2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]}^D
\sin^2{\alpha}$$
$$+2\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #62
$$\lambda^2=1+\overbrace{\left[2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]}^J\cos^2{\alpha}+
\overbrace{\left[2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]}^D
\sin^2{\alpha}$$
$$+2\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$
 
  • #63
Chestermiller said:
$$\lambda^2=1+\overbrace{\left[2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]}^J\cos^2{\alpha}+
\overbrace{\left[2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]}^D
\sin^2{\alpha}$$
$$+2\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$
Oh. Yeah. That first ##1## could multiply on both terms and then be simplified.
But is the resulting expression any better? If there is something I should recognize from looking at it I'm failing to do so.
 
  • #64
Juanda said:
Oh. Yeah. That first ##1## could multiply on both terms and then be simplified.
But is the resulting expression any better? If there is something I should recognize from looking at it I'm failing to do so.
Not yet. Please next give the equation of the strain ##\epsilon ## that I asked for. We're almost there.
 
  • #65
Chestermiller said:
Not yet. Please next give the equation of the strain ##\epsilon ## that I asked for. We're almost there.
All right.

Strain is:
$$\epsilon=\frac{\lambda^2-1}{2}$$

And ##\lambda^2## is:
$$\lambda^2=1+\left[2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]\cos^2{\alpha}+\left[2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]\sin^2{\alpha}$$
$$+2\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$

Plugging that ##\lambda^2## in the strain will result in the ##1## canceling and also the ##2## from the third term so it'll be:
$$\frac{\left[2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]\cos^2{\alpha}+\left[2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]\sin^2{\alpha}}{2}$$
$$+\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$

Is this the expression you're looking for?
 
  • #66
Juanda said:
All right.

Strain is:
$$\epsilon=\frac{\lambda^2-1}{2}$$

And ##\lambda^2## is:
$$\lambda^2=1+\left[2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]\cos^2{\alpha}+\left[2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]\sin^2{\alpha}$$
$$+2\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$

Plugging that ##\lambda^2## in the strain will result in the ##1## canceling and also the ##2## from the third term so it'll be:
$$\frac{\left[2 \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0} + \frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}^2 + \frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}^2 \right]\cos^2{\alpha}+\left[2\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}^2 + \frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}^2 \right]\sin^2{\alpha}}{2}$$
$$+\left[(1+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0})(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0})+(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0})(1+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0})\right]\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$

Is this the expression you're looking for?
Basically, yes. But, consider this. $$\epsilon=\epsilon_{xx}\cos^2{\alpha}+\epsilon_{yy}\sin^2{\alpha}+\epsilon_{xy}\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}+\epsilon_{yx}\sin{\alpha}\cos{\alpha}$$where $$\epsilon_{xx}=\frac{1}{2}\left[\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}+\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}\right)^2\right]$$

$$\epsilon_{yy}=\frac{1}{2}\left[\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}+\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0}\right)^2\right]$$

$$\epsilon_{xy}=\epsilon_{yx}=\frac{1}{2}\left[\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}+\frac{\partial u}{\partial x_0}\frac{\partial u}{\partial y_0}+\frac{\partial v}{\partial x_0}\frac{\partial v}{\partial y_0} \right]$$
So you recognize the small displacement strain terns in these equations?
 
  • #67
I'm not sure what you mean. I do see some similarities but I'm not sure what I should understand from that.

1698089668843.png
 
  • #68
Juanda said:
I'm not sure what you mean. I do see some similarities but I'm not sure what I should understand from that.

View attachment 334073
What does your Strength ofMaterials book or Theory of Elasticity book or Wikipedia give for the components of the infinitesimal (linear) strain tensor?
 
  • #69
Chestermiller said:
What does your Strength ofMaterials book or Theory of Elasticity book or Wikipedia give for the components of the infinitesimal (linear) strain tensor?

Are you referring to how 2nd order terms are typically ignored if they're very small compared with 1st order terms?

From Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal_strain_theory
1698090113445.png


After doing the math and ignoring what's going on with the 3rd dimension so that it looks as the simplification developed in this thread, the infinitesimal strain tensor is as shown.
1698090715080.png
Is this what you meant?
 
  • #70
Juanda said:
Are you referring to how 2nd order terms are typically ignored if they're very small compared with 1st order terms?

From Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal_strain_theory
View attachment 334074

After doing the math and ignoring what's going on with the 3rd dimension so that it looks as the simplification developed in this thread, the infinitesimal strain tensor is as shown.
View attachment 334075Is this what you meant?
Yes, these are the small displacement (linear) terms in the strains. If you had also included the z direction, those strains would also be also be properly accounted for too by this methodology. By the methodology, I mean using ##\frac{(\lambda^2-1)}{2}## as a vehicle to elucidate the strains in terms of the displacements.

These equations could also be used (the full expressions for the strains including the non-linear terms) if the displacements are large but the strains are small (e.g., for a very stiff material). Under such circumstances, the 3D Hooke's law equations could still be used. However, if the displacements and the strains are also large, Hooke's law could not be used, since it is only valid for small strains. That is when wee enter the realm of non-linear elasticity and more complex material behavior.
 
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: Juanda

Similar threads

  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
3K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
5K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K