Understanding Bound Charges and Their Mathematical Derivation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of bound charges in electrostatics, specifically focusing on the mathematical treatment of the gradient of the function 1/r with respect to source coordinates. Participants are exploring the implications of these coordinates within the context of charge distributions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the representation of source coordinates and their relationship to points within a charge distribution. There is an exploration of the relationship between the coordinates r and r', with attempts to clarify the notation and its implications for differentiation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the nature of the coordinates involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the coordinates, but confusion remains about the differentiation process and the notation used in the integral.

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There are indications of misleading notation in the materials being discussed, which may be contributing to the confusion among participants. The exact nature of the charge distribution and the fixed points referenced are not fully defined, leaving room for interpretation.

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Upon reading about bound charges I stumbled on something I didn't quite understand. It is not a physical thing but purely a mathematical thing.

In the attached section my book wants to take the gradient:

∇'(1/r)

with respect to the source coordinates, r'. Now, can someone by inspection of the attached file tell me what these source coordinates represent. Are they they coordinates of a point inside some charge distribution with respect to a fixed point inside the distribution? Would that then mean that in vector notation:

r = R + r'

where R is the distance from P to the reference point inside the distribution?

And from all that can someone tell me how you would differentiate ∇'(1/r) with respect to
r' to get the answer in the bottom of the attached file? :)

thanks
 

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hi aaaa202! :smile:
aaaa202 said:
… can someone by inspection of the attached file tell me what these source coordinates represent. Are they they coordinates of a point inside some charge distribution with respect to a fixed point inside the distribution?

no, (the diagram should say so, but doesn't :redface: …) they're the coordinates of the point marked "P" (which isn't the name of the point, it's the dipole moment density vector :rolleyes:) wrt a fixed origin (whose position doesn't matter)
… how you would differentiate ∇'(1/r) with respect to r' to get the answer in the bottom of the attached file? :)

should be easy now :wink:
 
I'm still a little confused on how r depends on r'. If R is the distance to the origin used for the coordinates r' isn't then, as I said:

r = R + r'

? :)
 
let's see …

in that integral, r is the outside point, and is fixed (a constant)

r is explained as the distance from r to r',

so r2 (the denominator) = (r - r')2

(the notation they're using is very misleading :redface:)
 

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