Understanding C^2 and Finding a Basis for V in [T]_beta for Complex C

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the vector space V = C^2 such that the matrix representation [T]_beta of a linear operator T is diagonal. The operator T is defined as T(z,w) = (z+iw, iz+w), where C represents the complex numbers.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of C^2 as a two-dimensional complex vector space and question the appropriate basis for it. There are discussions about the standard basis and alternative basis candidates, including the implications of using complex numbers in the context of the problem.

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Participants have raised various interpretations of the basis for C^2 and the properties of the operator T. Some have provided insights into the standard basis and its implications, while others express confusion about the dimensionality and the nature of the basis vectors. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Some participants question the dimensionality of C^2 and its geometric representation, while others emphasize the importance of understanding the vector space over the field of complex numbers. The discussion includes references to the diagonalizability of the operator T and the implications for the choice of basis.

loli12
I was asked to find a basis beta for V such that [T]_beta is a diagonal matrix.
V=C^2 and T is defined by T(z,w) = (z+iw, iz+w)
for C = complex.
I don't quite understand the expression C^2, I know C can be represented by a plane with the real and imaginery axis, but how abt C^2?
and also, how do i figure out the basis for this? I used (1,0) and (0,1) as my basis and I got the right answer.. but the basis doesn't seem right to me intuitively.
 
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C^2 is two dimensional complex vector space.

Presumably you're happy with R^2T is not diagonal with respect to that standard basis.
 
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The cartesian product between [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex] is written [itex]\mathbb{C}\times \mathbb{C}[/itex] and commonly written as [itex]\mathbb{C}^{2}[/itex].

Daniel.
 
"C^2 is two dimensional complex vector space."
does this means that geometrically it has 4 axis in total?

so, what is the basis for C^2?
intuitively I thought the basis is {(1,0), (0,1), (i,0),(0,i)} , but i think there're way too many vectors..
and (1+i , 0), (0, 1+i) seems like can't span the whole space..

anyone can let me know what the basis for C^2 is?
 
loli12 said:
intuitively I thought the basis is {(1,0), (0,1), (i,0),(0,i)} , but i think there're way too many vectors..
and (1+i , 0), (0, 1+i) seems like can't span the whole space..

You're considering C^2 as a vector space over what field?
 
the question said for the linear operators T on a vector space V, if T is diagonalizable, find a basis beta for V suh that [T]_beta is a diagonal matrix.
the answer for this question is beta = {(1,1) , (1,-1)}
but I still have no clue on the basis... please give me some hint!
 
Well, we usually say that [itex]\mathbb{C}^2[/itex] is a 2-dimensional vector space over the field of complex numbers, i.e. [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex]. A basis in this vector space is made up of
[tex]\left(\begin{array}{c} 1\\0 \end{array} \right) \ \mbox{and} \ \left(\begin{array}{c} 0\\1 \end{array} \right)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
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C^2 is two dimensional over C, you are already using a basis implicitly when you define T(z,w)=(z+iw,w+iz). It is the 'standard basis' and it is given by (0,1) and (1,0) which is a basis for C^2 because you're allowed to multiply these by any complex number ie (3+i,1+2i) = (3+i)*(1,0)+(1+2i)*(0,1)

Suppose I asked you to diagonalize the REAL operator

T(x,y)=(x+y,x-y)

given with respect to the standard basis on R^2. Then you'd have no trouble doing it. This is exactly the same except that you're allowed to use complex numbers not just real ones.
 
loli12 said:
I was asked to find a basis beta for V such that [T]_beta is a diagonal matrix.
V=C^2 and T is defined by T(z,w) = (z+iw, iz+w)
for C = complex.
I don't quite understand the expression C^2, I know C can be represented by a plane with the real and imaginery axis, but how abt C^2?
and also, how do i figure out the basis for this? I used (1,0) and (0,1) as my basis and I got the right answer.. but the basis doesn't seem right to me intuitively.

If you know how to find a basis for R^2, well then that's exactly how you do it. The same principle applies to C^2.

Note: I try not to worry about the visual representation of it. That might be bad, but I'm doing fine without the visual representation. I have some for things like linear independence/depence, but it's still not necessary because it all comes from the definition.
 
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Thanks all for the reply! I got it now!
 
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It is not bad to do without visualization, it is very necessary, and it is bad to rely on visualization; the amount of maths that it visualizable is tiny and you should not rely on visualizing it (which I disinguish from having geometric intuition)
 

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