Understanding Current: Definition and Comparison to Math-Defined Current

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The discussion revolves around the definition of electric current and its mathematical representation. Participants explore the relationship between the intuitive understanding of current as the amount of charge passing through a conductor and the mathematical definition involving the rate of change of charge over time.

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  • One participant questions the relationship between the definition of current as the displacement of charge and the mathematical expression I=dQ/dt, suggesting that if charge entering and leaving a cross-section is equal, the net change in charge would be zero.
  • Another participant emphasizes that electric current is defined as the rate at which charge crosses a surface boundary, regardless of whether the surface is closed or open, and mentions the continuity principle for closed surfaces.
  • A participant uses a water analogy to differentiate between the flow rate of current and the total amount of charge, suggesting that I=dQ/dt measures instantaneous flow while I=Q/t gives an average over time.
  • One participant suggests that substituting the word 'flow' for 'displacement' might resolve the confusion regarding the definitions of current.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of current, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity in terminology, particularly regarding the concepts of flow and displacement, which may affect the understanding of current.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics or electrical engineering, particularly those exploring the foundational concepts of electric current.

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This is a very sound stupid question, but I'll go ahead anyway.

Current is defined as the displacement of charge through a cross-section of a conductor per unit time. Okay. But how does relate to its math-definition, current = change of charge with respect to time, I=dQ/dt? I mean, for every charge leaving the cross-section of the conductor, an equivalent one will enter. This means that across the cross-section dQ/dt, the summed change of charge with respect to time, equals 0!

I find I = Q/t, current = amount of charge passing the cross-section per unit time, a much more intuitive definition..

So can you guys help me make sense of this?
 
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define a surface boundary. it doesn't have to be a closed surface, but it may be (and if it is, then continuity applies). electric current is defined to be the rate (w.r.t. time) that charge is crossing from one side of that surface boundary to the other. nothing else.

if the surface is closed, then continuity requires that the negative of the rate of amount of charge contained inside the closed surface is equal to the current crossing that boundary from inside to out.
 
for every charge leaving the cross-section of the conductor, an equivalent one will enter.

The water analogy for electricity isn't perfect but in effect you are saying..

"for every CC of water leaving the pipe an equivalent amount will enter"

That's true.

However electric current is equivalent to the flow rate of the water through the pipe not the change in volume of water in the pipe.

I=dQ/dt is equivalent to measuring the instantaneous flow rate of the water.

I=Q/t would be more akin to measuring the amount of water used over say a year and dividing acccordingly to give the average flow rate over that period.. or perhaps the total amount of water that has ever flowed through the pipe divided by the age of the pipe.
 
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Nikitin said:
This is a very sound stupid question, but I'll go ahead anyway.

Current is defined as the displacement of charge through a cross-section of a conductor per unit time. Okay. But how does relate to its math-definition, current = change of charge with respect to time, I=dQ/dt? I mean, for every charge leaving the cross-section of the conductor, an equivalent one will enter. This means that across the cross-section dQ/dt, the summed change of charge with respect to time, equals 0!

I find I = Q/t, current = amount of charge passing the cross-section per unit time, a much more intuitive definition..

So can you guys help me make sense of this?

That word is where your problem lies. If you substitute the word 'flow' then your worry ceases to be.
 
thanks!
 

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