Understanding Determinants of a 3x3 Matrix: A Beginner's Guide

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding how to calculate the determinant of a 3x3 matrix. Participants express confusion and seek clarification on the methods available for finding the determinant, particularly in the context of limited textbook examples.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest breaking the determinant into smaller 2x2 determinants, while others propose using properties to simplify the matrix before calculating. There are mentions of expanding by minors and row-reducing to triangular form as alternative methods.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various methods being explored. Participants share personal experiences and preferences regarding different approaches to calculating determinants, indicating a collaborative effort to understand the topic better.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenges of dealing with larger matrices, such as 4x4 determinants, and express a desire for simpler methods that could have been useful in earlier studies.

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could someone please explain simply how to get the determinate of a 3 * 3 matrix I'm relly stuck I've looked through my textbooks but it only has examples of how to do it useing a grapgics calculator thanks
 
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Spunky_Dunky said:
could someone please explain simply how to get the determinate of a 3 * 3 matrix I'm relly stuck I've looked through my textbooks but it only has examples of how to do it useing a grapgics calculator thanks

you break it up into three 2x2 determinents!

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Determinant.html

look at the first line of eqt. 27
 
You could do that, or use some properties first to create 0's and then develop to a row or column. There's also a direct way, but it's a bit 'long':

\begin{gathered}<br /> A = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {a_{11} } &amp; {a_{12} } &amp; {a_{13} } \\<br /> {a_{21} } &amp; {a_{22} } &amp; {a_{23} } \\<br /> {a_{31} } &amp; {a_{32} } &amp; {a_{33} } \\<br /> \end{array} } \right) \Rightarrow \det \left( A \right) = \left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {a_{11} } &amp; {a_{12} } &amp; {a_{13} } \\<br /> {a_{21} } &amp; {a_{22} } &amp; {a_{23} } \\<br /> {a_{31} } &amp; {a_{32} } &amp; {a_{33} } \\<br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\ \\<br /> = a_{1,1}\cdot{a}_{2,2}\cdot{a}_{3,3} + a_{1,3}\cdot{a}_{3,2}\cdot{a}_{2,1} + a_{1,2}\cdot{a}_{2,3}\cdot{a}_{3,1} -<br /> a_{1,3}\cdot{a}_{2,2}\cdot{a}_{3,1} - a_{1,1}\cdot{a}_{2,3}\cdot{a}_{3,2} - a_{1,2}\cdot{a}_{2,1}\cdot{a}_{3,3} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered}
 
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thanks very much :smile:
 
TD said:
You could do that, or use some properties first to create 0's and then develop to a row or column. There's also a direct way, but it's a bit 'long':

\begin{gathered}<br /> A = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {a_{11} } &amp; {a_{12} } &amp; {a_{13} } \\<br /> {a_{21} } &amp; {a_{22} } &amp; {a_{23} } \\<br /> {a_{31} } &amp; {a_{32} } &amp; {a_{33} } \\<br /> \end{array} } \right) \Rightarrow \det \left( A \right) = \left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {a_{11} } &amp; {a_{12} } &amp; {a_{13} } \\<br /> {a_{21} } &amp; {a_{22} } &amp; {a_{23} } \\<br /> {a_{31} } &amp; {a_{32} } &amp; {a_{33} } \\<br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\ \\<br /> = a_{1,1}\cdot{a}_{2,2}\cdot{a}_{3,3} + a_{1,3}\cdot{a}_{3,2}\cdot{a}_{2,1} + a_{1,2}\cdot{a}_{2,3}\cdot{a}_{3,1} -<br /> a_{1,3}\cdot{a}_{2,2}\cdot{a}_{3,1} - a_{1,1}\cdot{a}_{2,3}\cdot{a}_{3,2} - a_{1,2}\cdot{a}_{2,1}\cdot{a}_{3,3} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered}



oh, right. that crap.

:-p


my calc III prof went over that, mainly as a curiosity. I've used expansion by minors exclusively.


whatever's easiest to you!
 
I usually expand by minors too, but not before I simplified it first using elementary operations. Having to expand it 'in full' is long too hehe :wink:
 
If you row-reduce the matrix to triangular form, finding the determinant is just multiplying the numbers on the diagonal.
 
TD said:
I usually expand by minors too, but not before I simplified it first using elementary operations. Having to expand it 'in full' is long too hehe :wink:

that's a really good idea. would have really come in handy when i was in 11th grade. :frown: (we had the occasional 4x4 determinant! )
 

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