Understanding Drag in Water: Calculation and Hypothetical Scenarios"

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of drag in water, specifically in hypothetical scenarios involving an object falling into a body of water. Participants explore the implications of drag forces, the effects of different materials, and the dynamics of motion upon impact with water.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a drag equation involving velocity, water density, drag coefficient, and cross-sectional area, questioning the appropriate units for velocity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of consistent units in calculations, suggesting that the specific units used do not matter as long as they are consistent.
  • A hypothetical scenario is introduced where a 1m³ cube falls into water at 200m/s, leading to a calculated drag force of 50000N upon impact.
  • Participants discuss the potential for the cube to be flung upward if it is made of a lightweight material, raising questions about the dynamics of deceleration and the nature of drag forces.
  • Concerns are raised about the direction of forces, with one participant clarifying that drag acts opposite to the velocity of the cube, complicating the idea of upward motion.
  • Another participant challenges the calculations regarding acceleration, noting that the drag force would not remain constant and would decrease rapidly as the cube decelerates upon contact with the water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of drag and the behavior of the cube upon impact with water. There is no consensus on whether the cube could be flung upward, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the dynamics involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the properties of the cube, the nature of the water, and the effects of drag over time. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of the forces acting on the cube during its interaction with the water.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but to find drag for water you have to use this equation:
0.5 * velocity^2 * water density which is 1000kg/m^3 * Drag Coefficient * Cross Sectional Area
Velocity is supposed to be in m/s right? not km/h?


Okay so for example if there was an imaginary planet with no air and atmosphere, but only a large body of water(ocean). If a 1*1*1 meter cube was falling and it hit the ocean at 200m/s, the drag will be:
0.5 * 100m/s * 1000kg/m^3 * about 1 * 1m^2 = 50000
when it hits the water

If the cube is made out of really strong light weight material, wouldn't the cube get flung up? For example if the cube is only a gram. Is this even possible? When I think about it in my head, no matter how hard an object hits the surface of water, it would never bounce that much...

So anyways, i feel like I am misunderstanding something... Can someone help me?
 
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aosome23 said:
Velocity is supposed to be in m/s right? not km/h?
The units do not matter, as long as you keep them consistent. If different quantities are given in different units, you'll have to convert some of them.

0.5 * 100m/s * 1000kg/m^3 * about 1 * 1m^2 = 50000
Don't forget units.

If the cube is made out of really strong light weight material, wouldn't the cube get flung up?
It would decelerate extremely fast and then come to a rest (approximately) - unless the cube itself is elastic, then it might bounce.
 
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It would decelerate extremely fast and then come to a rest (approximately) - unless the cube itself is elastic, then it might bounce.

But if the force applied to the cube is 50000N wouldn't the cube be flung up because the mass is really small? So since force is m * a, if a cube is 1kg, that means that the acceleration will be 50000m/s^2. Since that is way larger than gravity which is 9.8m/s^2, wouldn't it make the cube fly up in the air? Or am I not calculating this correctly?
 
Force in what direction? You were asking about drag. That will be directed opposite to the velocity. In order to have a force upward to "fling" the cube upward the velocity must be downward. But as in order to go "upward" the velocity would have to change from downward to upward so must, at some point, be 0. As soon as that is true, there is no longer any drag force.
 
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aosome23 said:
But if the force applied to the cube is 50000N wouldn't the cube be flung up because the mass is really small? So since force is m * a, if a cube is 1kg, that means that the acceleration will be 50000m/s^2. Since that is way larger than gravity which is 9.8m/s^2, wouldn't it make the cube fly up in the air? Or am I not calculating this correctly?
You are not thinking about this correctly. As soon as the cube starts to contact the water, it will decelerate very quickly, its velocity will drop rapidly, and the drag force will decrease very quickly. So the force on the cube won't stay anywhere close to 50000N for more than a minute interval of time.

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